Judging behaviour

[John Ferrell]

In my district it is the norm to offer constructive criticism when time
permits.
The practice is generally well received and helpful to the contestant.
It is only done after the scores are in the contestants hands.
That way when you walk away from what you feel is a perfect flight with
nothing better than a 7,
you have some idea what you need to change.

How else would you know that perfect landing would have been a 10 if only
you had called it?

It is also the norm AFTER the scores are in the contestants hands for judges
to discuss questionable calls.
The intent is to make a more consistant judging environment!

Whatever creates a percieved hostile environment is bad.
John Ferrell
6241 Phillippi Rd
Julian NC 27283
Phone: (336)685-9606
Dixie Competition Products
NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
"My Competition is Not My Enemy"



----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Wallace" <rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: Judging behaviour


> I'm a fairly new pattern pilot, and welcome the comments of more
experienced
> pilots anytime I can get 'em, especially since they're  pilots too, and
are
> virtually always more experienced than I am.
>
> I look at immediate post-flight conversation w/ the judges as a way to
> improve my flying. I'll routinely turn to the judges after I land and ask
> them for their comments.
> Sometimes they'll let me know that they'd rather not comment, and I thank
> them and leave. Often, though, one or more will be willing to give his
> impressions and perceptions of the flight - this can be as valuable as any
> other input.
>
> Of course, if the next guy already has his engine running, and is waiting
to
> step into the box then there's no discussion- -it's his flight line.
> Otherwise, why not get the mini-critique?
>
> By the same token when I judge, when a competitor *asks* for feedback (and
> only then) after his flight, I'll give it (usually deferring to the more
> senior judge if there is one) when there's time before the next pilot's
up.
> I trust the other judge not to be influenced (not to be swayed in his
> judgiung the rest of the round) by my comments, as I try not to be swayed
by
> his comments.
>
> We pattern guys don't fly together enough as it is, and should take max
> advantage of the chances to help each other and to be helped.
>
> My $.02 -
> Rick
>
> >
> >I recently attended a competition in which the conduct of a particular
> >judge
> >left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. As I turned towards the judges
> >after
> >completing my flight this particular person (experienced F3A judge) made
a
> >number of comments about my flight being flown too far out and that he
> >docked several points per manoeuvre. These comments were made in the
> >presence of the other two judges.
> >
> >I am not going to argue that I was or wasn't. The concern I had with this
> >behaviour was he could have influenced the other judges to think the same
> >as
> >they had less experience. This type of conduct should not be allowed to
> >happen. Judges should be able to judge a flight based on their own
> >perception and interpretation of rules etc. If this particular person
> >thought that I should be docked 2 points per manoeuvre then that should
be
> >his opinion only.
> >
> >The issue here is that most of us on this list judge and fly aerobatics.
> >Everyone deserves to be judged fairly and unbiased by people who have
their
> >own perception on how a flight should look and should be flown. Why have
3
> >or 5 judges?
> >
> >If you looked at this incident from another angle some of my competitors
> >may
> >say that I was being coached by a judge which could raise another set of
> >problems.
> >
> >All in all, the fact he said anything was wrong.
> >
> >Just my thoughts
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
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