Fascination v.s. Typhoon ??

[Troy Newman]

Typhoon fuse is too small today unless it the 2000 Fuse....and I'm not a big fan of the Alliance......The wing will fly better than the original Typhoon wing...but I don't believe the Alliance wing is any great shakes either...Its very dragging and requires a ton of power...Fashion wing was the same way...very draggy..almost too much so in high wind conditions....

Obviously the Alliance and the Synergy are good planes...they are the world champion designs for the last 2 worlds...that's going on 4 years now...so yes they are good....You can't beat Quique and Chip running a Kaos but the planes I flew just didn't impress me like the others have....Maybe it was setup or builder issues...but I was very underwhelmed considering what I have had the pleasure of flying for the past couple years.



You should be better off than a stock Typhoon wing...It takes more to make a championship design than bolting a new set of wings on a design to make it the right combo....I would rather see the Guerin wing on the Typhoon 2000...The Prophecy, Focus, Temptation, Hydeout.......This wing is a good one and has worked on all these planes why not stick it on the Typhoon too. I don't know its combo thing and the right combo of things is hard to find....The design process is a little more detailed than just plugging parts from different designs together.....


It should be an improvement.

TN

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rodney Tanner 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:28 PM
  Subject: Re: Fascination v.s. Typhoon ??


  Troy, 

  What would you think of a Typhoon balsa fuse/Aliance wing and stab hybrid with an OS 140. We have one in the works right now.  

  Rodney 

  NSRCA 2906 

   Troy Newman <troy_newman at msn.com> wrote: 

    You hit the nail on the head!

    The Typhoon 1000 is a small airplane...just because it has 100sq doesn't
    mean its large plane.....The 2+2, 2000, and Giles all have that huge wing
    on them. This was good at the time but in today's current F3A sequences its
    not a viable ship. The snap and spin qualities are poor. The Fascination is
    really a totally different design by Chris Lakin..Its a 2M ship the
    2+2......But it has a smaller wing on it and snaps better and spins better
    than the typhoon. The Fascination also has a larger sized fuse its a more
    modern bird than the 2+2....

    Now don't get me wrong the Typhoon is a good plane but if you're going to
    build one build the 2000 or the 2+2...the 1000 was a bit too small and was
    in the first generation of the 120 ships.....the 2+2 is a much batter
    plane......In fact a 2+2 with Typhoon "D" wings or the 1000 wings.....would
    be a good combo.....I think the "D" would be better...but they are a tough
    thing to come by I don't think plans are available for them..it was a rare
    one that was not around long...the 2+2 took over quickly.


    the fascination was a good plane also..I'm not a big fan of the 1 piece
    wings....Now since you are building from wood you could modify the design to
    be a plug-in wing and not the 1 piece......Some have done a 1 piece wing
    that slides together on wing tube setup.....This might be a bit on the
    heavy side in my opinion....Just kill the center section of the wing and
    mount the wing tube socket in the fuse......It will be lighter than building
    up the supports to mount the wing as a one piece then sticking the supports
    in the wing for the tube...your building the same stuff twice...not
    needed.....


    My opinion...I have flown many of the Typhoons they are a great plane for
    AMA class patterns....I would say even up through Masters....No matter what
    people seem to think the demands on the Plane in the masters pattern is not
    anything more than the F3A sequences of the mid to late 90's The snaps are
    45 downs and there are not spins reversed like the current F3A
    sequences.....So this being the case the 2+2 can and will be a good platform
    for anybody up ingot he masters class...I flew A 2+2 in Masters in 99' and
    placed 4th....Now 4 years later and 2 pattern later and the only
    requirements that have changed is more power needed.....Not more snap or
    spin capability.....F3A as I said is a totally different story.


    I have said it before my opinion is worth what you paid for it.....

    Troy Newman
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