Fuel Weights?

[John Ferrell]

It sort of a share process. I add $2 per gallon and and sell it to whoever
wants it IN THEIR CONTAINERS. That way a guy who does not take care of his
containers does not get to contaminate anyone else. I buy 0% and 20%
synthetic only and I will mix fuel & fuel to produce the 5-10-15% stuff in
between. Zero problems. I have people that come a way to get a gallon, and
others who want 20 gallons at a time. If some one else would offer the same
deal, I would buy the fuel from them. It pretty much shoots a day to go get
the fuel and move it to jugs. 55 gallon containers are the best price. Also,
If someone locally wants to pay Red Max directly or me with cash, I don't
charge to bring it back. The up side is that I sure meet a lot of other
modelers. I believe I am selling below what it costs a hobby shop. Most of
them would rather not be in the fuel business. It comes out to $12 per gal
for 20%, and $1 less for each 5% less per gallon. 0% is only $8 per gal this
way. I sometimes wonder if the guys using expensive oil & gasoline are
really spending less.

By the way, a 55 gallon drum of 25% takes two big guys to set upright. I use
the front loader on my back hoe for the manual part.
I usually empty a drum in one setting. I don't believe the fuel
(synthetic)will spoil for several years. I never lost any except for leaky
jugs and spills.
I usually go through about 3 drums a year.

John Ferrell
6241 Phillippi Rd
Julian NC 27283
Phone: (336)685-9606
johnferrell at earthlink.net
Dixie Competition Products
NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
"My Competition is Not My Enemy"


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Young" <b4598070 at yahoo.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Fuel Weights?


> So when you purchase by the drum do you use it all
> yourself? It would take me a year to burn 55 gallons,
> so does it keep well and do you put nitrogen on top or
> anything?
>
> Do they do 30 Gallon drums....
>
>
> --- John Ferrell <johnferrell at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > I don't believe that a really high level of
> > precision is required for this. Consistency is
> > pretty important, changing to a new jug of the same
> > brand should not require any adjusting. I have been
> > using Red Max for several years with no fuel
> > problems. I buy by the drum and go after it. That
> > allows direct communications with the folks that put
> > it together. It is a "nothing by chance" operation.
> > They promise that you will get at least a gallon in
> > every jug, and the best mix they can provide. They
> > will not disclose the details of their oil because
> > that is what sets one vendor apart from another.
> >
> > One very interesting detail I have learned from them
> > is that competition fuel has LESS oil but more
> > precise measurement that Sport fuel. The reasoning
> > is that Sport flyers need a broader needle setting
> > while the Competition flyer should be more receptive
> > to a tighter needle setting for the sake of
> > performance.
> >
> > As I understand it, the quality issues are with the
> > oil and the moisture content. There is little value
> > in reducing the moisture content below what you can
> > maintain in the fueling process. The oil is the real
> > mystery. The last time I priced Klotz KL200 by the
> > case it was over $6 per quart. Nitro works out
> > somewhere between $20 & $30 per gallon. You can buy
> > Red Max 20% Nitro fuel for roughly $9 per gallon in
> > 54 gallon drums. BTW, the drums are always full 55
> > gallon drums. That way they are sure to give you the
> > 54 gallons they promised. The race car guys are
> > amazed that I pay twice as much for 2 drums of model
> > fuel as they do for 6 drums of Methanol.
> >
> > It is a common strategy in the race car business to
> > set an engine up so loose for qualifying that it
> > would never be able to complete a race.
> >
> > When a car seems to run away from the rest of the
> > pack it is usually because he lost the oil. Less
> > friction, more go, easy win but it costs an engine!
> >
> > I cannot back up any of this, but I do believe it!
> > John Ferrell
> > 6241 Phillippi Rd
> > Julian NC 27283
> > Phone: (336)685-9606
> > johnferrell at earthlink.net
> > Dixie Competition Products
> > NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
> > "My Competition is Not My Enemy"
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: Gray E Fowler
> >   To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >   Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 6:16 AM
> >   Subject: Re: Fuel Weights?
> >
> >
> >
> >   Brain has this dead right.  The fuel guys, if the
> > have half a brain will always mix by weight OR
> > choose to temperature control their stock-and that
> > is not so easy. Ever try to cool or warm 1000 gallon
> > tank of methanol? So they (should) mix by weight and
> > then for those of you who NEED volume do the math
> > and there it is. Any fuel guy blending by volume
> > without temp control will have a product that
> > varies, and then complaints from users like us who
> > actually check performance on a regular basis.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Brian Young
> Tulsa
> b4598070 at yahoo.com
> 918-745-6046h
> 918-838-0900w
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