Original Pattern Model

[Bill Glaze]

Yep.  In fact, the word after Howard won at Dallas, was that it was so
hot that the guys with new engines, (Fox .35's at the time) couldn't get
decent power; Howard's engine was worn out, so the higher temps.
actually helped him.  Could just have been a rumor, and I never asked
him..............(!<G>)  Wasn't sure what his answer would be; he was a
little on the humorless side!
Then Johnny Brodbeck brought out the K & B Green head, later adding an
exhaust baffle for reliable idle.  Just think; a real .45!  Whatter' we
ever going to do with all that power!?
But, in those days, the really good builders like Fred could bring in an
Astro Hog under 6 pounds.  Not bad with all those batteries, heavy
radio, etc.  And, the airplanes were 6 foot wingspread.  I would like to
see that happen today.  With today's radios, the airplane would weigh ~
5 to 5-1/2 lbs. BTW:   Not being half the builder that Fred was, mine
usually were in the 6-1/2 to 7 lb. range.  Still not a bad performer.
I've  got the hots to build another and go see the guys in SPA, just for
the nostalgia factor.

Bill Glaze

JOddino wrote:

>  Bill,I believe you are right.  And they did it with K&B .35s and then
> .45s.Jim
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Bill Glaze
>      To: discussion at nsrca.org
>      Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:52 PM
>      Subject: Re: Original Pattern Model
>       Jim:
>      Close, but off by a year.  Howard Bonner won in 1956 with
>      his design Smog Hog in Dallas; Dunham won in 1957 with Fred
>      Dunn's designed Astro Hog.  He also won in 1958, and 1959.
>      After the contest, (1959) Bob told us that he was retiring
>      from the Nats.  He said "I don't think it's good for anybody
>      to win more than 3 times; it's not good for the sport.  And,
>      I'm actually competing with my customers."
>      With respect to the Astro Hog, Fred always maintained that
>      "all the Astro Hog is, is a low wing Smog Hog."  Maybe so,
>      but worlds apart in performance.
>      BTW: Fred's first design Astro Hog was quite different from
>      the eventual design.  I was there for the testing.
>      Disaster!
>      Echoes from the past.
>
>      Bill Glaze
>
>      JOddino wrote:
>
>     > My standard answer is that all planes are pattern
>     > airplanes, some just do it better than others.  As far as
>     > competition goes they started long before the Orion.  The
>     > Smog Hog won in 1955 I believe and the Astro Hog in 56.  I
>     > had an Orion that I must have built in 1961 and yes it did
>     > have proportional control.Jim
>     >
>     >      ----- Original Message -----
>     >      From: Ron Van Putte
>     >      To: discussion at nsrca.org
>     >      Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:59 PM
>     >      Subject: Re: Original Pattern Model
>     >       The question assumes that a particular design
>     >      suddenly appeared.  They were flying aerobatic
>     >      airplanes in the late 50s and early 60s.  I
>     >      started flying in 1954, but I can't remember
>     >      anyone trying to do more than a simple loop for
>     >      many years.  The radios just weren't up to the
>     >      task.
>     >
>     >      The first airplane/radio combinations I saw
>     >      which were aerobatic enough to be called Pattern
>     >      airplanes was in about 1960 or 1961.  They were
>     >      the Astro Hog, Smog Hog and the Stormer.  Later
>     >      I saw the Orion and Taurus at an invitational in
>     >      Detroit about 1963.  This remembering stuff has
>     >      dried out my brain; I think I'll have a beer.
>     >
>     >      Ron Van Putte
>     >
>     >      Rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
>     >
>     >      > In a message dated 8/4/2003 1:51:51 PM Eastern
>     >      > Daylight Time, randy10926 at comcast.net writes:
>     >      >
>     >      >
>     >      >
>     >      >>  Subj:Original Pattern Model
>     >      >>  Date:8/4/2003 1:51:51 PM Eastern Daylight
>     >      >>  Time
>     >      >>  From:randy10926 at comcast.net
>     >      >>  Reply-to:discussion at nsrca.org
>     >      >>  To:discussion at nsrca.org
>     >      >>  Sent from the Internet
>     >      >>
>     >      >>
>     >      >>
>     >      >>  Well what was the original pattern model?
>     >      >>
>     >      >>  Was it the Orion?  A gentleman from NVRC
>     >      >>  scratch build one of these and here is
>     >      >>  a photo of them. http://www.1nvrc.com/.  It
>     >      >>  has ben flown with a green head 45
>     >      >>  and a veco 45 (our however you spell it).
>     >      >>
>     >      >>  Randy Hatfield
>     >      >
>     >      > Randy, they have flown aerobatics in some form
>     >      > of precision and sequence order, for much
>     >      > longer than the Orion. If you are talking with
>     >      > digital proportional full house control, then
>     >      > you may be right. Don Lowe would know possibly,
>     >      > or may be Ron Van Putte
>     >      >
>     >      > There were early designs that did this, by Hal
>     >      > DeBolt, Carl Goldberg and several other Pattern
>     >      > pioneers, with escapement type control, not
>     >      > propo.
>     >      >
>     >      > regards
>     >      >
>     >      > Matt K
>     >
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.f3a.us/pipermail/nsrca-discussion/attachments/20030806/4876337f/attachment.html