Original Pattern Model

[JOddino]

Bill,
I believe you are right.  And they did it with K&B .35s and then .45s.
Jim
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Glaze 
  To: discussion at nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: Original Pattern Model


  Jim: 
  Close, but off by a year.  Howard Bonner won in 1956 with his design Smog Hog in Dallas; Dunham won in 1957 with Fred Dunn's designed Astro Hog.  He also won in 1958, and 1959.  After the contest, (1959) Bob told us that he was retiring from the Nats.  He said "I don't think it's good for anybody to win more than 3 times; it's not good for the sport.  And, I'm actually competing with my customers." 
  With respect to the Astro Hog, Fred always maintained that "all the Astro Hog is, is a low wing Smog Hog."  Maybe so, but worlds apart in performance. 
  BTW: Fred's first design Astro Hog was quite different from the eventual design.  I was there for the testing.  Disaster! 
  Echoes from the past. 
  Bill Glaze 

  JOddino wrote: 

    My standard answer is that all planes are pattern airplanes, some just do it better than others.  As far as competition goes they started long before the Orion.  The Smog Hog won in 1955 I believe and the Astro Hog in 56.  I had an Orion that I must have built in 1961 and yes it did have proportional control.Jim 
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Ron Van Putte
      To: discussion at nsrca.org
      Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:59 PM
      Subject: Re: Original Pattern Model
       The question assumes that a particular design suddenly appeared.  They were flying aerobatic airplanes in the late 50s and early 60s.  I started flying in 1954, but I can't remember anyone trying to do more than a simple loop for many years.  The radios just weren't up to the task. 
      The first airplane/radio combinations I saw which were aerobatic enough to be called Pattern airplanes was in about 1960 or 1961.  They were the Astro Hog, Smog Hog and the Stormer.  Later I saw the Orion and Taurus at an invitational in Detroit about 1963.  This remembering stuff has dried out my brain; I think I'll have a beer. 

      Ron Van Putte 

      Rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: 

        In a message dated 8/4/2003 1:51:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, randy10926 at comcast.net writes: 
          
          
          Subj:Original Pattern Model 
          Date:8/4/2003 1:51:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time 
          From:randy10926 at comcast.net 
          Reply-to:discussion at nsrca.org 
          To:discussion at nsrca.org 
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          Well what was the original pattern model? 

          Was it the Orion?  A gentleman from NVRC scratch build one of these and here is 
          a photo of them. http://www.1nvrc.com/.  It has ben flown with a green head 45 
          and a veco 45 (our however you spell it). 

          Randy Hatfield

        Randy, they have flown aerobatics in some form of precision and sequence order, for much longer than the Orion. If you are talking with digital proportional full house control, then you may be right. Don Lowe would know possibly, or may be Ron Van Putte 

        There were early designs that did this, by Hal DeBolt, Carl Goldberg and several other Pattern pioneers, with escapement type control, not propo. 

        regards 

        Matt K
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