Pattern Fun / scribe

Fri Sep 20 14:43:20 AKDT 2002

Most of us have likely been in situations where judges
ask to have maneuvers called loud enough for judges
to here.   I cerrtainly do it when asked, but it's not
a solution I prefer- it is a considerable distraction 
from the job of calling for the pilot- which can be 
a lot more than simple calling the maneuvers with 
the timing that a judge needs.

Ron Lockhart
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Young" <b4598070 at yahoo.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe

> Hah....I replaced my 1/2 square loop w/ 1/2 roll up,
> with an immelman. One judge noticed but wasnt sure so
> scored it anyway. If I cant remember my schedule
> theres no way I will remember everyone elses. Wasnt
> there a rule once where the pilots caller had to call
> maneuvers loud enough for the judges to hear? 
> 
> But then there was the time I was judging and an FAI
> pilot came out and didnt use a caller.....
> 
> 
> --- ROBERT PASTORELLO <faipatrn at msn.com> wrote:
> > Most folks, being honest, would have to admit they
> > DO NOT know all the classes...which raises the
> > question of "what if the pilot's caller doesn't call
> > loudly enough for you to hear?", or better yet,
> > "what if the CALLER calls the INCORRECT maneuver?"
> > [Nah, NEVER would happen]
> > 
> > Then, where's the judge at...an ugly place....
> > 
> > I saw a pilot do a 3/4 roll on a humpty that should
> > have been 1/4....zeroed him...the OTHER judge
> > "didn't see that", so he scored it a 7 or
> > something...and since we weren't conferring, guess
> > what?
> > 
> > SEVERAL people were REALLY interested in why there
> > was a difference...except the pilot....hmm...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Del Rykert
> > Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:19 PM
> > To: discussion at nsrca.org; vanputte at nuc.net
> > Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe
> > 
> > How do you memorize all the different classes of
> > maneuvers? I can't memorize
> > my own let alone all the others.
> > 
> >      Del K. Rykert
> >      AMA - 8928
> >      NSRCA - 473
> >      Kb2joi - General
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at nuc.net>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 6:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe
> > 
> > 
> > > I don't use a scribe and I never look down.  I use
> > a legal size
> > > clipboard and a long legal pad to record the
> > scores.  Then I transfer
> > > the scores during the landing approach.  You can't
> > do that?  Pity.  I've
> > > been doing it for years.
> > >
> > > Ron Van Putte
> > >
> > >
> > > George Kennie wrote:
> > >
> > > > Right On!, James!
> > > > That's exactly why I wont sit in the chair
> > without a scribe!
> > > > G
> > > >
> > > > Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>You may have your own opinion on scribes or no
> > scribes.  BUT, do this at
> > the
> > > >>next contest.  Fly your round, then sit back and
> > watch another flyer in
> > YOUR
> > > >>class.  Whatch his flight real close, and I'm
> > sure you'll pick out some
> > > >>errors, then, quickly look at the judges and
> > notice which of the judges
> > did
> > > >>not see the error, because their head was
> > obviously down, and looking at
> > the
> > > >>paper.  Then, realize that if you judge and look
> > down to write scores,
> > that
> > > >>you probably miss something from that flight as
> > well.  At the last
> > contest,
> > > >>I watched 1 judge who consistently missed the
> > first two points of the
> > > >>inverted 4-pt roll, because they were looking
> > down at writing the score
> > from
> > > >>the full-roll 1/2 outside loop.  How the heck
> > can you judge the 4-pt
> > > >>accurately, if you miss the entry (wings level? 
> > heading?
> > > >>decending/climbing?), first roll rate, etc? Not
> > to mention all other
> > > >>manuevers.  No judge should be looking down
> > during any flight, from
> > > >>sportsman to FAI.  Tough issue....
> > > >>
> > > >>Jim W.
> > > >>
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: John Ferrell
> > [mailto:johnferrell at earthlink.net]
> > > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:52 AM
> > > >>To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >>Subject: Re: Pattern Fun
> > > >>
> > > >> (Can't see how you can judge FAI or Masters
> > without a scribe.)
> > > >>You don't have to keep the clipboard in your
> > lap!
> > > >>
> > > >>John Ferrell
> > > >>6241 Phillippi Rd
> > > >>Julian NC 27283
> > > >>Phone: (336)685-9606
> > > >>Dixie Competition Products
> > > >>NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
> > > >>"My Competition is Not My Enemy"
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