Pattern Fun / scribe

Fri Sep 20 07:15:40 AKDT 2002

I think that at the onset of a local contest, upon signing up, there should
be an extra line to "check-off" wether or not you are a certified judge.
All judging assignments should tried to be filled with certified judges.  I
know there is still a reason to use "non-certified" judges, as younger
pilots need experience in judging sportsman (we all had to get experience
some how).  However, considering the HUGE emphasis we as a society placed on
the IMPORTANCE of getting certified and all the known benefits of having
certified judges, that an effort to use certified judges should be placed.  

I prefer the use of pilots/contestants judging, versus the local dedicated
set of judges.  It is very generous, kind, and convienent for the extra guy
or gal to come out and judge, but I feel it is more important to get
certified judges, or at least more knowledgable contests to judge.  That
said, I have never CD'd an event, and DO APPRECIATE the huge effort the CDs
undertake to get contests going!!!!!

In my humble opinion.
Jim W.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Young [mailto:b4598070 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:48 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe

Hah....I replaced my 1/2 square loop w/ 1/2 roll up,
with an immelman. One judge noticed but wasnt sure so
scored it anyway. If I cant remember my schedule
theres no way I will remember everyone elses. Wasnt
there a rule once where the pilots caller had to call
maneuvers loud enough for the judges to hear? 

But then there was the time I was judging and an FAI
pilot came out and didnt use a caller.....

--- ROBERT PASTORELLO <faipatrn at msn.com> wrote:
> Most folks, being honest, would have to admit they
> DO NOT know all the classes...which raises the
> question of "what if the pilot's caller doesn't call
> loudly enough for you to hear?", or better yet,
> "what if the CALLER calls the INCORRECT maneuver?"
> [Nah, NEVER would happen]
> 
> Then, where's the judge at...an ugly place....
> 
> I saw a pilot do a 3/4 roll on a humpty that should
> have been 1/4....zeroed him...the OTHER judge
> "didn't see that", so he scored it a 7 or
> something...and since we weren't conferring, guess
> what?
> 
> SEVERAL people were REALLY interested in why there
> was a difference...except the pilot....hmm...
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Del Rykert
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:19 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org; vanputte at nuc.net
> Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe
> 
> How do you memorize all the different classes of
> maneuvers? I can't memorize
> my own let alone all the others.
> 
>      Del K. Rykert
>      AMA - 8928
>      NSRCA - 473
>      Kb2joi - General
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at nuc.net>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 6:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Pattern Fun / scribe
> 
> 
> > I don't use a scribe and I never look down.  I use
> a legal size
> > clipboard and a long legal pad to record the
> scores.  Then I transfer
> > the scores during the landing approach.  You can't
> do that?  Pity.  I've
> > been doing it for years.
> >
> > Ron Van Putte
> >
> >
> > George Kennie wrote:
> >
> > > Right On!, James!
> > > That's exactly why I wont sit in the chair
> without a scribe!
> > > G
> > >
> > > Woodward James R Civ 412 TW/DRP wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>You may have your own opinion on scribes or no
> scribes.  BUT, do this at
> the
> > >>next contest.  Fly your round, then sit back and
> watch another flyer in
> YOUR
> > >>class.  Whatch his flight real close, and I'm
> sure you'll pick out some
> > >>errors, then, quickly look at the judges and
> notice which of the judges
> did
> > >>not see the error, because their head was
> obviously down, and looking at
> the
> > >>paper.  Then, realize that if you judge and look
> down to write scores,
> that
> > >>you probably miss something from that flight as
> well.  At the last
> contest,
> > >>I watched 1 judge who consistently missed the
> first two points of the
> > >>inverted 4-pt roll, because they were looking
> down at writing the score
> from
> > >>the full-roll 1/2 outside loop.  How the heck
> can you judge the 4-pt
> > >>accurately, if you miss the entry (wings level? 
> heading?
> > >>decending/climbing?), first roll rate, etc? Not
> to mention all other
> > >>manuevers.  No judge should be looking down
> during any flight, from
> > >>sportsman to FAI.  Tough issue....
> > >>
> > >>Jim W.
> > >>
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: John Ferrell
> [mailto:johnferrell at earthlink.net]
> > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 9:52 AM
> > >>To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > >>Subject: Re: Pattern Fun
> > >>
> > >> (Can't see how you can judge FAI or Masters
> without a scribe.)
> > >>You don't have to keep the clipboard in your
> lap!
> > >>
> > >>John Ferrell
> > >>6241 Phillippi Rd
> > >>Julian NC 27283
> > >>Phone: (336)685-9606
> > >>Dixie Competition Products
> > >>NSRCA 479 AMA 4190  W8CCW
> > >>"My Competition is Not My Enemy"
> > >>
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