K-Factor Pattern an invisible group

Thu Oct 31 22:09:36 AKST 2002

Very well said.

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Wallace" <rickwallace45 at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group

> >I really can't believe cost is a major factor.
>
> Au contraire --
> I believe that cost is one of the major factors to would-be pattern guys -
> it's a major factor for many of us whe ARE in the game --
>
> There are aother factors too - the competition itself, the hurdle of
> spending long hours away from family practicing the same sequence, and all
> the other reasons people have so eloquently expressed wvery time this
topic
> has come up -
>
> These things stop being barriers to entry when one (or more) of us helps
the
> potential pattern guy to understand that he does NOT have to jump into the
> deep end right away - that there ARE adequate entry level planes, and that
> there's lots of fun to be had with the Venus or TIger or KAOS or whatever
> ...
>
> Most of us have done it  - encouraged a local guy who shows the sprk to
give
> it a go - probably were encouraged that way ourselves at some point -
>
> In this world of readily available "real" adventure experiences like
> ATV'ing, RC cars and video/ computer games where kids (of all ages) can
> experience some level of instant 'success', and where there are endless
> demands on everyone's freetime, it DOES take a major mental commitment to
> make the leap into a *discipline* like pattern - or any other form of R/C
> airplane competition. And sometimes the cost in dollars is as much a
factor
> as the cost in toime not spent w/ the family, etc.
>
> My $.02 -
> Rick
> AMA 89045
> NSRCA 2972
>
> >
> >I was talking to a local flier who attended the Joe Nall fly-in this
> >spring and he said there were over 500, yes 5 0 0, registered fliers.
> >Most had 2 or 3 planes, with an average cost pushing $3000 each. Add to
> >this mix the great number of turbine jets flying now, where the engine
> >alone is over $2500. The minimal cost of a turbine jet, RTF, is in excess
> >of $5000. We can build 2 top of the line pattern ships for that, and
> >still have enough left to take our wives out to a very nice dinner, or
> >two!
> >
> >Why are thes pilots, by the thousands, choosing very big scale ships that
> >are generally flown around in race course fashion, over the challenges of
> >flying precision aerobatics????????????? it certainly IS NOT  the
> >cost!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Terry T.
> >
> >On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:25:17 -0500 "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net> writes:
> > > Got it and thanks.
> > >
> > > Being that I was HEAVY into pattern many years ago and then quit the
> > >
> > > results of that survey is not surprising at all.   Local support and
> > >
> > > interest just wasn't there.
> > >
> > > After moving to Florida I had thoughts of re-entering the sport and
> > > again
> > > find that there is just no local support or interest not to mention
> > > the sky
> > > high price of todays equipment to be competitive.  While for me
> > > money is
> > > not much of a concern however I feel it is the high cost of being
> > > competitive which actually leads to the issue of "no local support
> > > and
> > > interest".  As shown by the survey the #2 reason was equipment
> > > costs.
> > >
> > > After seeing some of the rules that some members what changed in the
> > > name
> > > of "allowing more people to fly pattern" these are simply excuses to
> > > get a
> > > rule change passed.   In the past nearly every rule change (ie:
> > > engine size
> > > & aircraft size) which was meant to increase pattern involvement has
> > >
> > > not.  In fact the long-term effect of those rule changes did nothing
> > > but
> > > increase the cost of being competitive.
> > >
> > > George
> > > NSRCA member since 1990
> > >
> > > At 12:07 PM 10/31/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >George
> > > >
> > > >rcuniverse.com     go to 3D aerobatics and Pattern then search for
> > > surveys
> > > >
> > > >or go to one of Bob's previous post's and click on the URL
> > > >
> > > > >From: "GeorgeF."
> > > > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >Subject: RE: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> > > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:17:48 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Where is this survey found? URL?
> > > > >George
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >At 08:41 AM 10/31/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > > > >> - yah, it tells me that the survey is not gear towards pattern
> > > > >>flyers or those interested in pattern. The "jist" of it appears
> > > to
> > > > >>be towards those who have not competed, or did and quit, and
> > > why.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Jim
> > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>From: Buddy Brammer [mailto:buddybrammer35 at hotmail.com]
> > > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:41 AM
> > > > >>To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >>Subject: Re: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> > > > >>
> > > > >>For those intrested Bob's survey at RCU has already had more
> > > > >>responses than the rules change survey and it has only been
> > > running
> > > > >>a few days! Does that tell you something?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Buddy
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >From: "Buddy Brammer"
> > > > >> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >> >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >> >Subject: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> > > > >> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:27:23 -0600
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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