Masters 2005 Options

Thu Oct 24 12:45:37 AKDT 2002

Maybe in the future we can use a three step-process in selecting a new
schedule for all AMA classes.   It would be very simple.  

1)	First lets the publish a list of all center and turnaround
maneuvers. The list should contain all currently flown maneuvers and
maneuvers that have been flown in the past.  The pattern community would be
asked to propose additional realistic but innovative maneuvers, for instance
an avalanche from the top with a snap at the bottom, or a loop with a roll
at the top - the possibilities are endless

2)	Once a complete list is assembled for a given selection cycle, it
would be submitted for another membership vote to select the preferred
maneuvers for each class (401, 402, 403, and 404).

3)	Finally, a committee would assemble these sets of maneuvers into a
well "flowing" schedules for each class.  (I would expect that the selection
process would include field testing by pilots in an appropriate class. 

In my opinion, the result will be set of schedules (401, 402, 403, and 404)
that majority of the pattern community will like because it will contain the
most popular maneuvers, although the sequence may be drastically different
form what we are used to. 

I believe that developing a single schedules with appropriate difficulty and
interesting maneuvers for everyone is almost impossible because of enormous
possibilities of variations that a schedule can be developed, hence there
will always be more than one opinion of what is better.  As an AMA SIG, the
NSRCA would obviously conduct the polling/voting and final schedule
selection.  

Just a proposal, 

Wojtek
NSRCA 1856 

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	glenn hatfield [SMTP:randy10926 at comcast.net]
	Sent:	Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:45 PM
	To:	discussion at nsrca.org
	Subject:	Re: Masters 2005 Options

	I second the motion. 
	Randy

	----- Original Message -----
	From:	Lee Davis <lee at piedmontmodels.com
<mailto:lee at piedmontmodels.com> >
	Date:	Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:33 pm
	Subject:	Re: Masters 2005 Options

		> I think it is *very* important for NSRCA to provide input
to AMA > for rules > and flight routines.  It is the one and only voice for
Pattern > pilots as a > group.
		> 
		> There was an announcement and time given months ago for
anyone to > submit routines for Masters on this very list.  A number of them
> were discussed > right here.
		> 
		> If someone wants to submit something else now, have at it,
it's > your right, > but no one was excluded from the process of the current
submission > from NSRCA.
		> 
		Ron, perhaps if you bothered to join NSRCA you would see the
vast > improvements made over the last several years to reach out and >
promote to > the R/C modeling public at large.  I have the nothing but
praise > for the > recent administration and staff.  I'm trying to say
something that > doesn'tcome of as rude or petty, but Monday morning
quarterbacks > comes to mind.

		> It's easy to criticize from the sidelines.
		> 
		> Lee Davis
		> Piedmont Models
		> http://www.piedmontmodels.com/
<http://www.piedmontmodels.com/> 
		> 
		> 
		> ----- Original Message -----
		> From:	"Williams, Ron" <rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com
<mailto:rwilliams at wilkinson-mfg.com> >
		> To:	<discussion at nsrca.org <mailto:discussion at nsrca.org>
>
		> Sent:	Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:37 PM
		> Subject:	RE: Masters 2005 Options
		> 
		> 
			> > I try to stay out of this type of discussion and
just fly 
		> pattern.  That
		> is why you most likely have never seen my name post here.
I have 
		> followedthis list for several years and could not keep
quit any 
		> longer.  I want to
		> thank Troy for saying publicly what I feel several people
are saying
		> privately.  I am one of the people who are no longer a
current 
		> member of the
		> NSRCA but do fly pattern, attend several contests a year
and 
		> belong to the
		> AMA.  Troy is correct.  The goal of the NSRCA is to
promote the 
		> future of RC
		> Aerobatics.  This is not what I feel has been the focus
the last 
		> few years.
		> The last time the patterns were changed a back room deal
was made 
		> by the
		> leadership of the NSRCA to change the membership-approved 
		> patterns.  The
		> explanation was that it had to be done or it would not
have 
		> passed.  To me
		> this was an insult to anyone flying in that class that our

		> leadership agreed
		> with.  There are several times on that comments are made
on this list
		> stating that people like myself who do not belong to the
NSRCA 
		> should have
		> no say in the future direction.  No wonder people think we
feel we are
		> better than everyone else.
			> >
			> > I agree with Troy, anyone who belongs to the AMA
should be able 
		> to present
		> a set of maneuvers to the AMA for approval.   The current 
		> president of the
		> NSRCA going on a public list chastising this individual
for doing 
		> this is
		> wrong.  We need to promote the hobby to new people not
promote 
		> personalagendas.  Our local area is also growing like Troy

		> mentions his is.  I can
		> also tell you that most of them have no idea who the NSRCA
is or 
		> care.  They
		> are AMA members who want to fly aerobatics.  Hopefully the
NSRCA 
		> will soon
		> return to better times and we can begin to promote the
hobby not 
		> try to take
		> it over.  I agree, our future is bright and all the new
equipment 
		> keepsmaking it better.
			> >
			> > This message is not intended to upset anyone or
is it intended 
		> to be a
		> personal attack on anyone.  I hope it does not come across
as 
		> such.  It is
		> just my opinion.
			> >
			> > Ron Williams
		> 
		> 
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