AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph

[David Harmon]

Eric...One basis would be hearsay? Slamming another SIG? I agree with
absolutely all 
of Marty's comments. If the Pattern SIG does nothing, it would appear as
if we agreed 
with Hurleys comments.
If NSRCA was an advertiser in that magazine, I'll bet those comments
would never have been 
printed.

Hurley must print a retraction or apology of some kind.

Hopefully, NSRCA dues will remain the same or increase and the money
hopefully saved with
the next morphing of the KF can be used to advertise in magazine(s). We
simply must get the 
word out about the NSRCA and the KF advertisers whose target market is
so tightly focused.
	Dave 586

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Henderson,Eric
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:12 AM
To: 'discussion at nsrca.org'
Subject: RE: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph


Mike reported what he heard. What basis do we have for an apology?

Eric.

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Diamond [mailto:jed241 at email.msn.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:59 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph


Mike, I will second that...I have attended  couple contest in California
in the mid 80's when I first got the bug. This is from someone that
carried that bug since and just now starting to get involved. I have
attended a couple contest in D4 and most recently the D3 Championship
contest.

At the D3 Contest this past weekend, I learned what pattern was all
about. I showed up and only knew one person that I met only once before.
He introduced me to Mike Dunphy and I met many others at the contest.
This was a class act and sets the standard of how a contest should run.
Everyone was very helpful and offered there help with any questions or
problems I might run into. Makes me wonder where the EGO problems are. I
haven't seen them -ever-!!! Only negative vibes came from an IMACer....

To be fair to Mike Hurley, I propose that Eric or an Officer of the
NSRCA confront him with the voice of the NSRCA and request an
explanation for the article. I feel that a retraction or an apology is
in order. I also recommend articles in Pattern columns with positive
comments with out blasting at IMAC. We need to rise above it and press
on....

Larry

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hester" <kerlock at attbi.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph


I can answer that one for D3.

As a relative newcomer, I can say with no reservations that from the
very first contest, I have been treated with the utmost respect and
comraderie. Everyone, including veteran master and FAI pilots, took time
to help me and make me feel at home. I didn't even have to ask, they
just stepped over and made sure I was having fun and learning every
flight.

I've been to almost all of the D3 contests this year, (8), and all of
the people I met were great folks. Not a single jerk, that I can
remember.

I think it's each competitior's obligation to help the new guys, even if
they're the competition. I try and make sure they aren't standing there
wondering what to do, and I try and give as much advice as they want.
Even if they didn't bring a plane and are just curious.

The face of the NSRCA begins and ends with each and every one of us. We
should all take personal responsibility to make sure new pilots enjoy
themselves enough to come back again and again. I have to wonder the
full story behind that guy's comments if he felt so excluded at a
pattern contest. I'd bet he wasn't in D3 lately.

-Mike Hester

----- Original Message -----
From: "Henderson,Eric" <eric.henderson at gartner.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 9:01 AM
Subject: RE: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph


> The question still stands. Are we that bad now or have we got better?
>
> The answer determines your next personal action.
>
> I'll tell you now that I have found IMAC contests to be less tense and

> the folks tended to be more gregarious. The only grief I have had from

> IMAC is over the noise level proposals that my wife signed.
>
> I will say that I could print anti-IMAC letters etc in my column, but 
> so
far
> I have not had any!!!
>
>
>
> E.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin X. Moleski, SJ [mailto:moleski at canisius.edu]
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:54 PM
> To: discussion at nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: AMA Magazine Article - the paragraph
>
>
> --On Monday, September 30, 2002 5:26 PM -0500 Larry Diamond 
> <jed241 at email.msn.com> wrote:
>
> > The problem isn't that it was published. The problem is that it ever

> > happened in the first place. You can't stop all of it.
>
> It's not an either/or situation.
>
> Yes, the allegation, if true, indicates that some of us
> may not be too hospitable to a newcomer during a contest.
>
> The publication of the allegation as a generalization is stereotyping.

> It is an offense in its own right. "Pattern guys--self-centered and 
> inhospitable; IMAC guys--good."
>
> In the 1980s, I rode my bike onto an RC field in
> the vicinity of D.C.  The guys cussed at me in no
> uncertain terms for endangering myself.  They
> were surly and rude.  They answered my questions
> about the hobby in monosyllables, if at all.
>
> I made two decisions that day.  One was to get into
> the hobby when I finished my Ph.D.  The other was
> to greet newcomers with an extended hand and a smile.
> I've kept both resolutions.
>
> Marty
>
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