AMA rules-what are we doing? - Canadian contests

[Anne & Xavier]

Hi Del,
I am sorry, I have no news about that.
Xavier

----- Original Message -----
From: "Del Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: AMA rules-what are we doing? - Canadian contests


> Tnx for the update Xavier. I used to attend more contest in Canada than
the
> states because of the closer proximity. Even including the wait at the
> border with our restaurant/hotel. Have you heard if Ajax group will ever
be
> back?
>          Del
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anne & Xavier" <xavier.mouraux at sympatico.ca>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 4:51 AM
> Subject: Re: AMA rules-what are we doing? - Canadian contests
>
>
> > Hi Del,
> > In the eastern part of Canada, there has been 4 contests this year.
> > Thornton, Oakville (also 2002 Canadian Nats), Chatham and Ottawa. London
> was
> > cancelled but Chatham was added, so the total stayed the same as 2001.
The
> > attendance were down from the previous year (for many reasons). There
was
> > more contests a few year ago and a few disappeared. The plan for next
year
> > is still for 4 contests. There has been some talking already. It will be
> > posted as soon it gets more defined.
> > Xavier
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Del Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> >
> >
> > > Tom.
> > >
> > >     Great to hear that things are on the upswing for you and your
> > district.
> > > Maybe Canada doesn't count for you but the contests I used to attend
are
> > > down by three by my last count. Attendance at this years contest was
> down
> > > except for Ken Kehners contests in Glen,NY. I can't speak for the rest
> of
> > > the district as I haven't made the long drive. At todoays cost of
> > > competitive aircraft when you lose one due to a midair it takes people
> out
> > > of competition sometimes for the major part of the year. As you know
we
> > had
> > > more than our share this last year and that contributed to some loss
in
> > > attendance. That to some degree will be back next year. Also hopefully
> > Elba
> > > will be able to pull off a contest again in 2003. Have to wait and see
> as
> > we
> > > are struggling with field issues. I haven't heard if the cancelled
> > Canadian
> > > contests are going to be back in 2003 or not.
> > >
> > >     To claim that things are going well when the facts show to the
> > contrary
> > > isn't healthy either IMHO.
> > >
> > >      Del K. Rykert
> > >      AMA - 8928
> > >      NSRCA - 473
> > >      Kb2joi - General
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thomas C. Weedon" <weedon at wwnet.net>
> > > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:26 AM
> > > Subject: RE: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Del,
> > > > Let me add what I have said before that Pattern is not declining, at
> > least
> > > > not around here. The NSRCA membership is down, that's true, and I've
> > said
> > > > before that I believe that the cause was the continuing increase in
> > dues.
> > > > However, in D4 we seem to be enjoying a growth spurt in Pattern,
> > > especially
> > > > in the number of contests. Also, we have had good numbers in the
> > Sportsman
> > > > Class this last year. I've said this before, many times on this
list.
> > > Seems
> > > > no one listened as the talk is still about declining numbers. Let me
> ask
> > > > again, "WHAT DECLINING NUMBERS?"  Shucks, the Pattern Nats is bigger
> > then
> > > > ever. We have more contests. We have more Sportsman entrants than
> > before.
> > > > Will every one PLEASE get off this thing about DECLINING NUMBERS,
and
> > > start
> > > > looking at what's going right?
> > > > Tom W.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Del Rykert
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:21 PM
> > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: Re: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Tom....
> > > >
> > > >     I realize it is not a truly scientifically accurate survey but I
> do
> > > > believe it has more credence than guessing amongst ourselves why
some
> > have
> > > > left or choose not to compete. I realize we will never be the
largest
> > SIG
> > > in
> > > > the world nor do I think we should be trying to go there. What I do
> have
> > > > concerns about is the declining numbers that aren't being replaced
if
> > the
> > > > sport as it is currently designed is going to thrive. Time
constraints
> > for
> > > > some are in conflict with the complexities that the sport has risen
> to.
> > > I'm
> > > > certain that has contributed to some of the decline. I know it has
> hurt
> > my
> > > > participation the last couple of years.
> > > >
> > > >      Del K. Rykert
> > > >      AMA - 8928
> > > >      NSRCA - 473
> > > >      Kb2joi - General
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Thomas C. Weedon" <weedon at wwnet.net>
> > > > To: "NSRCA Discussion List" <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:52 AM
> > > > Subject: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Del,
> > > > > Let me caution you that Bob's "on-line" survey is not a true
random
> > > survey
> > > > > and therefore can not be representative of the opinions of a
general
> > > > > population. A true and accurate survey would sample an entire,
fixed
> > > > > population, take the responses (however many there are) and then
> > > generate
> > > > > the statistics. This would be an accurate, scientific polling.
What
> > > Bob's
> > > > > survey did discover is reasons which can then become the substance
> of
> > an
> > > > > accurate survey of a controlled population. That's the only way
> you'll
> > > > ever
> > > > > know for sure.
> > > > > After all the work is over, I still bet that most people are just
> not
> > > > > interested, and they'll invent reasons, if need be, to make their
> > > argument
> > > > > sound more reasonable. Pattern flying is just not, nor ever will
be,
> a
> > > > > popular sport enjoyed by a large minority of RC flyers.
> > > > > Tom W.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Del Rykert
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:03 PM
> > > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this a time when we should take a serious look at the results
of
> > Bob
> > > > P's
> > > > > survey?  If we consider those results as possible fact and realize
> we
> > > have
> > > > a
> > > > > perception problem then shouldn't we address the perception
issues,
> > > > whether
> > > > > real or not.
> > > > >
> > > > >      Del K. Rykert
> > > > >      AMA - 8928
> > > > >      NSRCA - 473
> > > > >      Kb2joi - General
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