Particpation

Tue Nov 19 17:44:08 AKST 2002

This is a great recap. Can we get the CDs to confirm the intent to
schedule these again this year, and convirm the dates so some of us can
get them on our calendars??

Terry T.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:13:30 -0500 ronlock <ronlock at comcast.net> writes:
> Seems like Ive been hearing of pattern in decline since I started
> pattern in the mid 1980s.
> In the northeast area we lost the Lakehurst Naval Air Station
> field and contest this year.  I suspect the contest will be back
> next year when the new field 5 miles away is in better shape.
> 
> Pickings for Northern VA, NJ, PA, NY, MA area this year incuded:
> May 18, Sportsman/Intermidiate Pimer Croton NY (rained out)
> Jun 8/9  Clayton NJ
> Jun 29/30  Pocono PA
> Jun 22/23 Hamburg NY
> Jul 13/14 Sayre PA
> (Jul 21-16 NATS IN)
> Aug 10 Croton Primer resched.
> Aug 17/18 Glenn NY
> Aug 24/25 Arcola VA (Wash DC)
> Sep 7/8 Bridgewater MA
> Sep 21/22 Elba NY
> 
> Ron Lockhart
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Del Rykert" <drykert at rochester.rr.com>
> To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:01 PM
> Subject: Re: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> 
> 
> > Tom.
> >
> >     Great to hear that things are on the upswing for you and your
> district.
> > Maybe Canada doesn't count for you but the contests I used to 
> attend are
> > down by three by my last count. Attendance at this years contest 
> was down
> > except for Ken Kehners contests in Glen,NY. I can't speak for the 
> rest of
> > the district as I haven't made the long drive. At todoays cost of
> > competitive aircraft when you lose one due to a midair it takes 
> people out
> > of competition sometimes for the major part of the year. As you 
> know we
> had
> > more than our share this last year and that contributed to some 
> loss in
> > attendance. That to some degree will be back next year. Also 
> hopefully
> Elba
> > will be able to pull off a contest again in 2003. Have to wait and 
> see as
> we
> > are struggling with field issues. I haven't heard if the 
> cancelled
> Canadian
> > contests are going to be back in 2003 or not.
> >
> >     To claim that things are going well when the facts show to the
> contrary
> > isn't healthy either IMHO.
> >
> >      Del K. Rykert
> >      AMA - 8928
> >      NSRCA - 473
> >      Kb2joi - General
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Thomas C. Weedon" <weedon at wwnet.net>
> > To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:26 AM
> > Subject: RE: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> >
> >
> > > Del,
> > > Let me add what I have said before that Pattern is not 
> declining, at
> least
> > > not around here. The NSRCA membership is down, that's true, and 
> I've
> said
> > > before that I believe that the cause was the continuing increase 
> in
> dues.
> > > However, in D4 we seem to be enjoying a growth spurt in 
> Pattern,
> > especially
> > > in the number of contests. Also, we have had good numbers in 
> the
> Sportsman
> > > Class this last year. I've said this before, many times on this 
> list.
> > Seems
> > > no one listened as the talk is still about declining numbers. 
> Let me ask
> > > again, "WHAT DECLINING NUMBERS?"  Shucks, the Pattern Nats is 
> bigger
> then
> > > ever. We have more contests. We have more Sportsman entrants 
> than
> before.
> > > Will every one PLEASE get off this thing about DECLINING 
> NUMBERS, and
> > start
> > > looking at what's going right?
> > > Tom W.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Del Rykert
> > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 11:21 PM
> > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > Subject: Re: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Tom....
> > >
> > >     I realize it is not a truly scientifically accurate survey 
> but I do
> > > believe it has more credence than guessing amongst ourselves why 
> some
> have
> > > left or choose not to compete. I realize we will never be the 
> largest
> SIG
> > in
> > > the world nor do I think we should be trying to go there. What I 
> do have
> > > concerns about is the declining numbers that aren't being 
> replaced if
> the
> > > sport as it is currently designed is going to thrive. Time 
> constraints
> for
> > > some are in conflict with the complexities that the sport has 
> risen to.
> > I'm
> > > certain that has contributed to some of the decline. I know it 
> has hurt
> my
> > > participation the last couple of years.
> > >
> > >      Del K. Rykert
> > >      AMA - 8928
> > >      NSRCA - 473
> > >      Kb2joi - General
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Thomas C. Weedon" <weedon at wwnet.net>
> > > To: "NSRCA Discussion List" <discussion at nsrca.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 1:52 AM
> > > Subject: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Del,
> > > > Let me caution you that Bob's "on-line" survey is not a true 
> random
> > survey
> > > > and therefore can not be representative of the opinions of a 
> general
> > > > population. A true and accurate survey would sample an entire, 
> fixed
> > > > population, take the responses (however many there are) and 
> then
> > generate
> > > > the statistics. This would be an accurate, scientific polling. 
> What
> > Bob's
> > > > survey did discover is reasons which can then become the 
> substance of
> an
> > > > accurate survey of a controlled population. That's the only 
> way you'll
> > > ever
> > > > know for sure.
> > > > After all the work is over, I still bet that most people are 
> just not
> > > > interested, and they'll invent reasons, if need be, to make 
> their
> > argument
> > > > sound more reasonable. Pattern flying is just not, nor ever 
> will be, a
> > > > popular sport enjoyed by a large minority of RC flyers.
> > > > Tom W.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: discussion-request at nsrca.org
> > [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]On
> > > > Behalf Of Del Rykert
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:03 PM
> > > > To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: Re: AMA rules-what are we doing?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is this a time when we should take a serious look at the 
> results of
> Bob
> > > P's
> > > > survey?  If we consider those results as possible fact and 
> realize we
> > have
> > > a
> > > > perception problem then shouldn't we address the perception 
> issues,
> > > whether
> > > > real or not.
> > > >
> > > >      Del K. Rykert
> > > >      AMA - 8928
> > > >      NSRCA - 473
> > > >      Kb2joi - General
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