Weight Limit problem long

Mon Nov 11 07:07:30 AKST 2002

They do have unknowns so freestyle is not a bad practice but the issue is
the same.  But I completely agree with you.   I see guys flying ½ cuban 8's
and what they call stall turns all day long but when I ask if they would
like to know how the maneuver should look and how to fly it - and the answer
is always the same (I am paraphrasing it here) they are not interested,
because then they would have to practice to fly it well and if they do know
all the details then they can just enjoy what they do.  But they keep doing
it over and over so who knows ???????

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Anthony Romano [SMTP:anthonyr105 at hotmail.com]
	Sent:	Monday, November 11, 2002 10:58 AM
	To:	discussion at nsrca.org
	Subject:	RE: Weight Limit problem long

	Hi Wojtek,

	Ask most IMAC guys how much they practice the sequences. Then ask
how much freestyle they fly. Their answers will speak volumes. Used to have
a guy who was into pylon in my club always asked me why I spent all that
time practicing.
	Anthony

		>From:	"Tomanek, Wojtek" <tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com
<mailto:tomanekw at saic-abingdon.com> >
		>Reply-To:	discussion at nsrca.org
<mailto:discussion at nsrca.org> 
		>To:	"'discussion at nsrca.org'" <discussion at nsrca.org
<mailto:discussion at nsrca.org> >
		>Subject:	RE: Weight Limit problem long
		>Date:	Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:33:46 -0500
		>
		>Anthony
		>
		>Completely agree with you.  Cost is just an excuse that is
a convenient one
		>because no one will ever question that.   The true cause
for not wanting to
		>join pattern is lack of discipline it takes to practice to
be proficient 
		>and
		>competitive.  For instance a lot of people joined IMAC
because it was fun
		>and even though they have similar judging rules they were
not implemented 
		>as
		>strict as we do in pattern.  The IMAC rules are changing
and their judging
		>is getting a lot stricter than it used to be.  Lets see how
many people 
		>will
		>stick with it since it is getting to be a lot more
proficient flying type 
		>as
		>opposed to just dong snaps and waterfalls.  Until now it
has been a lot of
		>fun and games.   On the other hand yesterday I went to a
combat contest -
		>and yes it was fun to watch but that is as far as it goes.
But for a lot 
		>of
		>RC'ers it has a lot of appeal because it does not take that
much skill to
		>participate - you just boring holes in the sky.
		>
		>
		>
		>	-----Original Message-----
		>	From:	Anthony Romano
[SMTP:anthonyr105 at hotmail.com] <mailto:[SMTP:anthonyr105 at hotmail.com]> 
		>	Sent:	Monday, November 11, 2002 10:18 AM
		>	To:	discussion at nsrca.org
<mailto:discussion at nsrca.org> 
		>	Subject:	Weight Limit problem long
		>
		>	Hi Buddy,
		>	Here is my view. Just finished a new plane around
$2000. Now, being
		>a
		>	competitor, I build a new more complicated, larger,
more expensive
		>plane to
		>	take advantage of the rule change and replace my now
obsolete plane.
		>
		>	Ignoring issue of gas such as smell, which now means
I can't store
		>planes in
		>	the house and the wife won't come to the field,
struggle with the
		>sound
		>	rule, can't fly at local field, etc.
		>	Now I am just a mediocre competitor and if I get a
lot of time I fly
		>my
		>	pattern plane 200 times a year. Using your figures,
maybe luck but I
		>never
		>	pay that much for fuel, I save $350 dollars. My new
plane will be
		>paid for
		>	in around FIVE years on the savings. Add in the cost
of new field
		>supplies,
		>	fire extinguisher, radio upgrade to run two elevator
servos, farther
		>drive
		>	to field without noise limit, etc. Where is the
savings?
		>	If this is the direction of pattern I am not
interested and don't
		>see how
		>	bigger more expensive planes will help anything. You
guys are all
		>killing me
		>	with the cost issue. The average guy at my local
club has three or
		>four 1.20
		>	size arfs with $1000 to $1200 dollars in each one.
Look around on
		>some of
		>	the message boards and see the number of people that
are flying and
		>entering
		>	giant scale. The number of people looking to spend
$3000 and up on a
		>bigger
		>	planes is astounding.
		>
		>	Anthony
		>
		>
		>
		>
		>
			>	>From:	"Buddy Brammer"
<buddybrammer35 at hotmail.com <mailto:buddybrammer35 at hotmail.com> >
			>	>Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
<mailto:discussion at nsrca.org> 
			>	>To:	discussion at nsrca.org
<mailto:discussion at nsrca.org> 
			>	>Subject:	Re: Weight Limit
			>	>Date:	Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:53:03 -0600
			>	>
		>
		>
		>
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