K-Factor Pattern an invisible group

[Del Rykert]

Hi Terry..
   My thought on that part of the issue is there is little to no practice
commitment to fly at the Joe Nall event versus pattern. I have known some
AMA members that did blame cost as an issue for them and they claimed to
have the desire to practice and they didn't buy the argument that they can
enter Novice, ( yes it was that long ago) with lesser equipment when they
know darn well by what they see me flying that is what it is going to take
to be competitive apparently. I did show them how I did eventually place at
a couple of tests with my 60 size Nova after overcoming all the negative
attributes that plane had in relationship to the 120 size ships. They would
ask why I was moving to a 2m ship with all its increased costs if I could
still be competitive with my Super Nova?

     Del K. Rykert
     AMA - 8928
     NSRCA - 473
     Kb2joi - General
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Terrenoire" <amad2terry at juno.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group


> I really can't believe cost is a major factor.
>
> I was talking to a local flier who attended the Joe Nall fly-in this
> spring and he said there were over 500, yes 5 0 0, registered fliers.
> Most had 2 or 3 planes, with an average cost pushing $3000 each. Add to
> this mix the great number of turbine jets flying now, where the engine
> alone is over $2500. The minimal cost of a turbine jet, RTF, is in excess
> of $5000. We can build 2 top of the line pattern ships for that, and
> still have enough left to take our wives out to a very nice dinner, or
> two!
>
> Why are thes pilots, by the thousands, choosing very big scale ships that
> are generally flown around in race course fashion, over the challenges of
> flying precision aerobatics????????????? it certainly IS NOT  the
> cost!!!!!!!!!
>
> Terry T.
>
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:25:17 -0500 "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net> writes:
> > Got it and thanks.
> >
> > Being that I was HEAVY into pattern many years ago and then quit the
> >
> > results of that survey is not surprising at all.   Local support and
> >
> > interest just wasn't there.
> >
> > After moving to Florida I had thoughts of re-entering the sport and
> > again
> > find that there is just no local support or interest not to mention
> > the sky
> > high price of todays equipment to be competitive.  While for me
> > money is
> > not much of a concern however I feel it is the high cost of being
> > competitive which actually leads to the issue of "no local support
> > and
> > interest".  As shown by the survey the #2 reason was equipment
> > costs.
> >
> > After seeing some of the rules that some members what changed in the
> > name
> > of "allowing more people to fly pattern" these are simply excuses to
> > get a
> > rule change passed.   In the past nearly every rule change (ie:
> > engine size
> > & aircraft size) which was meant to increase pattern involvement has
> >
> > not.  In fact the long-term effect of those rule changes did nothing
> > but
> > increase the cost of being competitive.
> >
> > George
> > NSRCA member since 1990
> >
> > At 12:07 PM 10/31/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> >
> > >George
> > >
> > >rcuniverse.com     go to 3D aerobatics and Pattern then search for
> > surveys
> > >
> > >or go to one of Bob's previous post's and click on the URL
> > >
> > > >From: "GeorgeF."
> > > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >Subject: RE: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:17:48 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Where is this survey found? URL?
> > > >George
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >At 08:41 AM 10/31/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > > >> - yah, it tells me that the survey is not gear towards pattern
> > > >>flyers or those interested in pattern. The "jist" of it appears
> > to
> > > >>be towards those who have not competed, or did and quit, and
> > why.
> > > >>
> > > >>Jim
> > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>From: Buddy Brammer [mailto:buddybrammer35 at hotmail.com]
> > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:41 AM
> > > >>To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >>Subject: Re: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> > > >>
> > > >>For those intrested Bob's survey at RCU has already had more
> > > >>responses than the rules change survey and it has only been
> > running
> > > >>a few days! Does that tell you something?
> > > >>
> > > >>Buddy
> > > >>
> > > >> >From: "Buddy Brammer"
> > > >> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >> >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > >> >Subject: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> > > >> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:27:23 -0600
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
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