WAS - KFactor Now "Members"

Sat Nov 2 10:34:29 AKST 2002

Mark....I agree with Joe & Rick, but you don't need to.

You can't drive 70 to 80 miles for a contest....hmmmm..I HAVE to drive
50 miles each way just to fly at all...there many guys that I know that
drive 300>500 miles EACH way for a 2 day contest..the Vegas & Phoenix
guys have been doing this for the last 17 years that I know of and all
of 
them were well experienced in Pattern long before me!
Oh...and every damn one of em' is a NSRCA member.
They don't need to be a member...but they ARE!

The K/F...yeah, it isn't what it once was re technical content for sure,
one reason
that I can think of is the internet...tech info does not seem to be sent
to the K/F
like it once was probably because it is considered old news by the time
it gets into print.
If the NSRCA member is not online....ooooh well!
You don't need to be a NSRCA member to read this list and get that nice
tech info.
You save $38. Your Pattern expenses now = $00.00

Perhaps NSRCA should ban ANY tech content on this list to encourage guys
like you
to rejoin....at least you would get your $38 worth of info that you get
for free now...to
say nothing of supporting NSRCA and Pattern in general with the $$$$ you
saved in gas,
motels, food, fuel, time you don't have because you don't practise or
compete blaa BLAAAA 
on and on and on.

Mark...I apologise for the above...I didn't consider that you no longer
fly at all so you have no 
need for the free technical info or NSRCA in general...you quit for the
reasons that you mentioned.

Are you still flying_in_the_fighter_community or what? 
Oh, never mind....you probably saved $38 on that too.

	All _the_Best

		Dave 
		NSRCA 586

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Rick Sweeney
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:11 AM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: WAS - KFactor Now "Members"

Sounds like you're the one who has been looking at a gift hoarse in the
mouth. I know people who contribute to the membership dues weather they
compete anymore or not just to support the cause, contribute in some way
to help keep it alive and well.

-----Original Message-----
From: discussion-request at nsrca.org [mailto:discussion-request at nsrca.org]
On Behalf Of Mark Wendt
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:54 PM
To: discussion at nsrca.org
Subject: RE: WAS - KFactor Now "Members"

Joe,

         Welllll, lets take a little closer look at membership 
reasons.  The K-Factor was the biggest reason I originally joined the 
NSRCA.  The closest pattern contest to me, and the other pattern fliers
are 
at least 70 miles away.  Maybe you're luckier than I, but over the past
few 
years, due to one reason or another, I've given up the quest of 
competing.  Number one, I just don't have the time to get out and 
practice.  Number two, I just don't have the money to tie up in trips 70
- 
80 miles one way, for two days.  I still like building and flying
pattern 
ships, but just don't have the motivation to compete.  The K-Factor, up 
until I left the NSRCA about a year ago, _was_ the only reason I kept my

membership.

         This morning I "collectively" was called a leach, because I've 
basically lurked on the board for the past year, not renewing my 
membership.  There really is no reason at this point in time for me to 
renew.  I'm not being competitive, hence not attending contests.  Since
I'm 
not attending contests, I could give a rat's fart about contest results 
(didn't really care much about them even when I was actively flying), so
I 
didn't really read the K-Factor.  The only issue I looked forward to was

the buyers guide.  Was it worth $38 a year?  Nope, not to me anyway.  I 
stuck around on the list because I knew some folks here, and just
enjoyed 
reading their posts.

         I just balanced what I was paying in dues, against what I 
considered were the "derived" benefits that I was getting, and the
balance 
tipped the wrong way.  I'm a CD, have been for almost 7 years, and other

contests that I've put on, I could really care less whether or not I got
my 
"name" in the district contest report.  My "pay" for doing the CD's job
was 
to get my AMA dues for free the next year.  That, plus the fun I had 
organizing the contests, and the thrill of watching everything come 
together for all involved, was worth all the work put into it.  Dunno, 
maybe I'm an oddball, but this stuff really is supposed to be fun, and
fun 
was what I had when I was actively CD'ing.

         Frankly, I could care less whether you cared if I remained a 
member or not.  One thing to remember, even if those folks are only in
it 
for the K-Factor, like our overseas friends, the membership is still 
getting money to try and do things it wants to do.  With an attitude
like 
yours, go ahead and drive off income that could be used.  I've got a
pretty 
thick skin, had to have one flying in the fighter community in Uncle
Sam's 
Great Fraternal Flying Club (sit in on a fighter debrief and you'll know

what I mean), but it's comments like that, that tend to get under my 
skin.  You look a gift horse in the mouth when you say something like 
this.  This is money you wouldn't have gotten for any other reason,
other 
than the perceived quality of the K-Factor.  You want to drive off that 
money, be my guest.  Just don't come whining when all of a sudden the
NSRCA 
has to start working in the red, because member's attitudes such as
yours 
have driven off the folks on the side who, for whatever reason don't 
participate, but like to know what's up in the world of pattern.

         Attitudes like that _will_ kill memberships in any
organization.

Mark

At 12:09 PM 11/2/02 -0500, you wrote:
>As Rick has pointed out, the benefits derived from dues covers more
than 
>just the K-Factor. People just seem to forget. In addition to the Web
Team 
>there is also the Judging program we benefit from, as well, with its
many 
>volunteers. There are other things as well.
>
>Frankly people. If your only in the NSRCA for the K-Factor, I
personally 
>could care less if you remained a member or not in the future. Your
>membership to me will have very little impact in the existance and
future 
>of Precision Aerobatics.
>
>On the subject of contest reports. I think they are very important,
>especially to the CD(not all necessarily). I believe there are over 80
in 
>the membership. Without them, there are no contests. For a CD it is a
form 
>of free advertising for future contests  and sort of an acknowledgment
to 
>the amount of effort and time they have given to successfully run an
event.
>
>There must be a people side to our event, not just the technical
issues.

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