Biggest hurdle to converting the sport flier

[william krueger]

I would agree this is a large factor, and is one of the reasons that fun
flies of various types are very popular around my area.

Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:15 AM
Subject: Biggest hurdle to converting the sport flier


>
> So many people have hinted at this but are looking too deep. IMHO the
basic
> problem with converting the sport flier is the cornerstone of pattern is
> competition.
> Most people are very uncomfortable with being judged and told what they
are
> doing wrong. Many sport pilots at my field don't like to fly with people
> watching. Bob I would have loved to see "not interested in competition" on
> your survey.
> Try this thumb wrestle someone in your and let them win. Then bet them a
> dollar you will beat them in a rematch and watch their reaction. Do this
> with anything coin flips, rock, paper, scissors anything. Many people are
> very uncomfortable when in the end there is a winner and a loser the other
> reason are just convenient excuses.
>
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Terry Terrenoire <amad2terry at juno.com>
> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> >Subject: Re: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:24:34 -0500
> >
> >I really can't believe cost is a major factor.
> >
> >I was talking to a local flier who attended the Joe Nall fly-in this
> >spring and he said there were over 500, yes 5 0 0, registered fliers.
> >Most had 2 or 3 planes, with an average cost pushing $3000 each. Add to
> >this mix the great number of turbine jets flying now, where the engine
> >alone is over $2500. The minimal cost of a turbine jet, RTF, is in excess
> >of $5000. We can build 2 top of the line pattern ships for that, and
> >still have enough left to take our wives out to a very nice dinner, or
> >two!
> >
> >Why are thes pilots, by the thousands, choosing very big scale ships that
> >are generally flown around in race course fashion, over the challenges of
> >flying precision aerobatics????????????? it certainly IS NOT  the
> >cost!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Terry T.
> >
> >On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:25:17 -0500 "GeorgeF." <av8tor at flash.net> writes:
> > > Got it and thanks.
> > >
> > > Being that I was HEAVY into pattern many years ago and then quit the
> > >
> > > results of that survey is not surprising at all.   Local support and
> > >
> > > interest just wasn't there.
> > >
> > > After moving to Florida I had thoughts of re-entering the sport and
> > > again
> > > find that there is just no local support or interest not to mention
> > > the sky
> > > high price of todays equipment to be competitive.  While for me
> > > money is
> > > not much of a concern however I feel it is the high cost of being
> > > competitive which actually leads to the issue of "no local support
> > > and
> > > interest".  As shown by the survey the #2 reason was equipment
> > > costs.
> > >
> > > After seeing some of the rules that some members what changed in the
> > > name
> > > of "allowing more people to fly pattern" these are simply excuses to
> > > get a
> > > rule change passed.   In the past nearly every rule change (ie:
> > > engine size
> > > & aircraft size) which was meant to increase pattern involvement has
> > >
> > > not.  In fact the long-term effect of those rule changes did nothing
> > > but
> > > increase the cost of being competitive.
> > >
> > > George
> > > NSRCA member since 1990
> > >
> > > At 12:07 PM 10/31/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >George
> > > >
> > > >rcuniverse.com     go to 3D aerobatics and Pattern then search for
> > > surveys
> > > >
> > > >or go to one of Bob's previous post's and click on the URL
> > > >
> > > > >From: "GeorgeF."
> > > > >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >Subject: RE: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> > > > >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:17:48 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >Where is this survey found? URL?
> > > > >George
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >At 08:41 AM 10/31/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> > > > >> - yah, it tells me that the survey is not gear towards pattern
> > > > >>flyers or those interested in pattern. The "jist" of it appears
> > > to
> > > > >>be towards those who have not competed, or did and quit, and
> > > why.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Jim
> > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>From: Buddy Brammer [mailto:buddybrammer35 at hotmail.com]
> > > > >>Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:41 AM
> > > > >>To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >>Subject: Re: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> > > > >>
> > > > >>For those intrested Bob's survey at RCU has already had more
> > > > >>responses than the rules change survey and it has only been
> > > running
> > > > >>a few days! Does that tell you something?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Buddy
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >From: "Buddy Brammer"
> > > > >> >Reply-To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >> >To: discussion at nsrca.org
> > > > >> >Subject: K-Factor Pattern an invisible group
> > > > >> >Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:27:23 -0600
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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