Involving the pattern community as a whole.
Dan Curtis
warrior523 at mchsi.com
Wed Dec 11 15:42:43 AKST 2002
Its great that we can toss around ideas and hash out some of our likes and
dislikes on this forum. Schedule design and implementation is a hard job
and requires dedicated people to even attempt it. As we have seen from the
remarks on the list, the system in use currently is far from perfect but it
does get a job done. The annex system has warts of its own, which are also
being pointed out. At first I was pretty much in agreement of the annex
system but I am having second thoughts. I tend to believe the system that
we have is adequate for the purpose but could have some improvements. I
would personally like to see the proposed schedules (in each cycle) earlier
in the selection process, then members would have a chance to vote on them
or "none of the above" and then a fine tuning on problem schedules could be
done and a final panel of schedules voted on.
Please let us not get into a serious dialogue on "merging" with IMAC. The
two disciplines are just too different for that to be advantageous.
My thoughts only
Dan Curtis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann & Dave Burton" <burtona at bellsouth.net>
To: <discussion at nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: Involving the pattern community as a whole.
> Troy,
> I think your dead on.
> I would like to see the two organizations merged into one, Neither is
> large enough or strong enough to have much clout. Together, there would
> be a much better organization in place to promote our common interest.
>
> Troy Newman wrote:
>
> > Great idea.....I would suspect that many CD's are heavy into it and
> > are already NSRCA members.... This might not catch em all but surely
> > more than what we are catching now.... I'm not so sure about the $5
> > thing but we do have expenses I understand that.....Perhaps the
> > Internet and its cheap access could help out with some that don't like
> > the $5 thing. Now remember that we might have to look at some
> > statistics on the members vs non-members votes during a rules survey.
> > But this might lead us down a much better decision path than before.
> > Especially becasue most of the members are happy with the status quo.
> > Myself included....but prospective members I think there are Three
> > kinds.... #1 Burned, mad, upset or dscouraged....These are the
> > important former members that we need to mend the fences with. These
> > are the guys that use the Janet Jackson line "What have you done for
> > me Lately?" #2 The guys that have no clue we exist. These are the #1
> > Target. The guys that are in the first type have an impression of
> > us...right or wrong...But these guys don't even know we are
> > there....We can make huge first impressions. #3 The cheap guy that
> > won't spend his $30.....They will always be there and we will have a
> > really tough nut to crack here. All we can do is keep supporting them
> > and hope a few will join the fold. Then I would say lets go a step
> > further. The IMAC olive branch needs an advocate. This is a tough one.
> > I have flown in IMAC events. I have CD'd a couple. In some cases I was
> > 100% welcome until I pulled out a pattern model. Or until I went to an
> > event and was not understanding the way things were run....Prime
> > example the rule book says a 150 deg box and during a pilots meeting
> > its assumed that we are all flying a 180 deg box...meaning "NO
> > BOX"....I just couldn't believe it absolutely shocking. Well you want
> > to know what...the best flyer still won! And guess what I was dead
> > last out of 5 guys. You know a few months back IMAC was struggling
> > with no newsletter. Maybe that would have been a good chance to
> > welcome them into the KFactor? I still gotta beleive that both groups
> > have the same interests and problems. The concerns and growing pains
> > of the IMAC people are the same things that trouble our group. I gotta
> > think we can help each other...and build for the future. Eric has
> > said it many times...Aerobatics is Aerobatics. He has flown and
> > participated in the IMAC NATS, written articles and so on.....Maybe we
> > need a liason between the two groups or at least some working
> > relationships. Today I don't think they exist. I know they have fired
> > across our bow many times....And we have also. We have and I
> > personally have made some statements that were not in the best
> > interest of promoting a relationship between the groups. But like all
> > other siblings eventually sometime in your life you wake up and figure
> > out that the little brother does have something to offer.... I think a
> > good start on the building blocks of a relationship could be give them
> > our membership lists and get a handle on theirs...Then they could
> > advertise with us and we could advertise and recruit from them
> > also. Whatca think boys? Troy
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Henderson,Eric
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:50 AM
> > To: 'discussion at nsrca.org'
> > Subject: Involving the pattern community as a whole.
> > Here is an approach that I would have like to implemented
> > on my watch!What we need is a register of ALL AMA members
> > who are interested in pattern. This would be easy to
> > do/build with a simple expansion of the existing NSRCA
> > membership database. Non-NSRCA pattern members could then
> > be include in the distribution of such items as NSRCA
> > surveys, major actions/issue etc.There would probably have
> > to be a small cover charge for this registration, say $5,
> > that would cover our printing and mailing. The Regular NSRCA
> > member would get the K-Factor and the registered NSRCA
> > member would get major announcements and the big rules
> > surveys etc.I imagine that we could do is get the CD's to
> > register pattern pilots with the NSRCA and then we could
> > include the people that are interested. Some kind of pitch
> > like, "How would you like to know what is going on with
> > sport and have a vote/say in the direction?" "Here, just
> > fill in this form and I'll send it to the NSRCA for
> > you...."As they said to Steve Austin, "We have the
> > technology, we can rebuild you. Time for a new approach to
> > the NSRCA's promotional activities and aspects?Regards,
> > retiring Eric.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Troy Newman [mailto:troy_newman at msn.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:44 AM
> > To: discussion
> > Subject: Re: Annex Fresh Idea
> >
> > Once again another speaks out that not all pattern flyers
> > are NSRCA members! Sounds like a recurring theme? We all
> > know the reasons.... they have been hashed many times....I
> > think part of our problem is we believe that we(NSRCA) are
> > the sole keeper of the flame....and to be honest....We are
> > not. We were invited to the game. We did start it, and we
> > won't be finishing it either. Sure we can take our marbles
> > and go home but that doesn't serve anyone's interest. We did
> > that in 94 with the N-PAC event. I'm curious why we as the
> > NSRCA are so close minded to non-NSRCA members......? Does
> > our $30 a year give us the right make rules and exclude
> > others from having input on the subject.....This is all done
> > under the holy veil of membership.....This exclusion of
> > non-members is what is driving us down...not because we
> > don't have sexy website...or we don't have a perfect KF, or
> > we don't have press recognition in the magazines, or because
> > we are not quick enough in changing our sequences in order
> > to compete with the other Aerobatics kid in town. I think
> > we are so concerned about new members...me included that we
> > don't include people that are not members...The answer is
> > "Well Join up and get the info." I've been guilty of this
> > also...Maybe we need to open our doors and open our
> > minds....If we invite the neighborhood in with the idea of a
> > BBQ....and expect them to bring all the food how many will
> > show? We need to give them a reason to be here and not a
> > reason to stay away! Thanks for sticking with us Chuck!!!!
> > We are glad to have you and your insight.
> >
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