Involving the pattern community as a whole.

[Larry Ott]

Marty,

I can see that I have struck some nerves, not just yours.


> > Who will look after the rights of the non NSRCA member?
> > You and others want to exclude them.
> 
> False.
> 
> In the message that you quoted, I said explicitly
> that I agree with keeping a FREE database of AMA
> pattern pilots and accepting their input on the
> design of new patterns.
> 
> But I do not think that non-members should set
> NSRCA policy.
> 
> > Think about this, please. Allowing non-members to participate
> > in and vote on rules changes that affect ALL pattern flyers,
> > does not mean allowing them to vote on all NSRCA policies.
> 
> Um, right.  I thought that is what I said in my
> first note.  :o)

I apologize if I misread what you meant, I only had what you
wrote to go by.

Here is the exact wording you used: 

"I don't mind letting AMA members comment on rules changes.

I do mind allowing non-members to have equal voting
rights with members when considering NSRCA policy
decisions.

I don't think this is the equivalent of saying "we alone
know what is best for pattern."  It is a way of saying
that members get to vote on NSRCA policies and non-members
do not.  That is consistent with Robert's Rules of Order
and other democratic traditions."
/end of quote

I read that as commenting and voting are 2 different things
and that you opposed non-members voting on anything the NSRCA
is deciding. 

My concept of a democratic tradition is to allow everyone
to debate the issues and then VOTE. After the vote the winner
rules, not before.

/begin quote 
> > The election of officers, the "process" by which rules are
> > changed, who is on the rules change committee, how we run
> > the K-Factor and on and on should not be voted on by
> > non-members. But the "actual" vote on rules changes should
> > be open to "all" pattern flyers that are AMA members.
> 
> We agree.
/end of quote

That is not what I read in you 1st post, but I am pleased to 
hear you say it.

Truce (waving white flag)

Larry Ott - AMA 9872
          - NSRCA 3381



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