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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ouch that will hurt. I'm not familiar with that airplane airplane? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I'm have a hard time believing it needs that much tail weight, unless it was designed as a 60 size airplane.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rick Bergeron can probably help more than I can.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jim <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Karl Watts [mailto:Karl.Watts@saintalphonsus.org] <br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 24, 2020 2:53 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> J N Hiller; 'AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY'; 'RICHARD BERGERON'<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [NSRCA-dist8] [External] Re: FW: Pattern plane<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, Jim, I have not excluded trimming.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>OK, so what is you guys experience with these planes? I am needing eight ounces in the tail to balance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Karl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> J N Hiller <jnhiller@comcast.net> <br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 24, 2020 10:38 AM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Karl Watts <Karl.Watts@saintalphonsus.org>; 'AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY' <nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org>; 'RICHARD BERGERON' <ribergeron@comcast.net><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [NSRCA-dist8] [External] Re: FW: Pattern plane<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No problem Karl. Yes there are several ways to find the CG and I've used them all but that is only a starting point.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All airplanes need flight trimming and that's a whole different world with a lot of personal preferences.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> NSRCA-dist8 [<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Karl Watts via NSRCA-dist8<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 24, 2020 9:26 AM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RICHARD BERGERON; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-dist8] [External] Re: FW: Pattern plane<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Wow, you guys know your stuff! Using Alan's and Rick's (50%) methods I get the same CG, and that is just ΒΌ inch ahead of the CG from a CG calculator sent to me by Bruce Tharpe (thanks to Sean). Sorry Jim, not enough motivation to use your method after the above results. Thanks guys! Will let you know how the maiden flight goes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Karl<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> RICHARD BERGERON <<a href="mailto:ribergeron@comcast.net">ribergeron@comcast.net</a>> <br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 23, 2020 5:50 PM<br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Karl Watts <<a href="mailto:Karl.Watts@saintalphonsus.org">Karl.Watts@saintalphonsus.org</a>>; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [External] Re: [NSRCA-dist8] FW: Pattern plane<o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:center'><strong><b><font size=3 color=red face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:red'>Warning:</span></font></b></strong><b><font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold'> This email originated from the Internet!</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:center'><strong><b><font size=3 color=red face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:red'>DO NOT CLICK</span></font></b></strong><b><font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold'> links if the sender is unknown, and </span></font><strong><b><font color=red face="Times New Roman"><span style='color:red'>NEVER</span></font></b></strong><font color="#1f497d"><span style='color:#1F497D'> provide your password.</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Hi Karl, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>The control throws at 8 degrees and 10 degrees are a good start for the aileron and elevator. The CG at 1/3rd back from the leading edge at the fuse is way to far forward for a start. That would make it too tail heavy which would be a challenge. Try 45% back from the leading edge and it might need to go more than that after some trim flights. Some of the old pattern planes ended up around 50% to 55% from the leading edge. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Good to hear your flying something. Good luck. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Rick Bergeron <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color="#333333" face=Helvetica><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333'>RCA-dist8 <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I friend gave me this nice classic pattern plane. In really good shape, composite fuse, foam core wings, OS FS-120 surpass that still runs strong. Anyone familiar with it? Need to know where to set the CG. 1/3<sup>rd</sup> back from the leading edge at the fuse? Good starting point for control throws, 8 degrees on aileron and 10 degrees on elevator?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Egad, the smoke from the forest fires here is bad today! Went out to the field and just turned around to come home, visibility low.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Karl</span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><b><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></font></b></strong><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Karl Watts <<a href="mailto:Karl.Watts@saintalphonsus.org">Karl.Watts@saintalphonsus.org</a>> <br><strong><b><font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></font></b></strong> Saturday, August 22, 2020 1:32 PM<br><strong><b><font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>To:</span></font></b></strong> Karl Watts <<a href="mailto:Karl.Watts@saintalphonsus.org">Karl.Watts@saintalphonsus.org</a>><br><strong><b><font face=Calibri><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></font></b></strong> Pattern plane</span></font><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p></div><div id=ms-outlook-mobile-signature><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Get <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef">Outlook for iOS</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><br>Confidentiality Notice: <br>This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Trinity Health and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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