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To: 'Lyle Laughery' <pattern.laughery@gmail.com>; 'AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY', MT, OR, WA, WY' <nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org><br>
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<div class="MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";'>Lyle, during my evolution to E-power I've used several plugs most of which were on components.</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";'>When I went to E-pattern I considered several things. The batteries were to be used in series in the airplane - charged in parallel - when retired from pattern I'll use them individually in smaller airplanes - standardization of plugs - and most of all I wanted a polarized connector to counter brain fade.</span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal"><span style='color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; font-size: 11pt; mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman";'>I settled on the Deans plug and install a wire harness in the airplane with one ESC lead to the arming plug and the other to a multiple plug battery connector that puts them in series. <span class="GramE">Pretty much a fool proof system; requiring minimum concentration both in the airplane and when charging.</span> I wanted a real no brainer.</span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 01, 2015 6:39 AM<br>
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<div>Now that all of you have beat the wadding out of battery checking can you help this soon to be electric flier,choose the best battery connectors between the speed controller and battery .Castle 80 and 5000 battery?</div>
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