<div dir="ltr">Good idea. Alan I agree that it's really hard to pick that stuff up, but in the case I am addressing, the error was so obvious it should have been a zero...no questions asked. Just looking over the sequence before the flight will certainly help. We all have down time at a contest and it doesn't take a lot to stand behind the judges and watch other sequences a time or two. We owe it to the pilots we are judging. In the end we are still just flying toy airplanes and it should be about fun. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Gordon Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gaa@owt.com" target="_blank">gaa@owt.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">One thing that judes could do is use Peter Vogel’s calling smart phone application. If you used this and headphones then you could have it call each maneuver for you without bothering anyone else. Most everyone has a smart phone so this is a good option plus Peter gives all the funds to the US worlds team. I have this app on my phone and it works great.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div></font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">—Gordon</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br><div><br><div><div>On Jun 29, 2015, at 5:35 AM, alan wellentin via NSRCA-dist8 <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:HelveticaNeue,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,'Lucida Grande',sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr"><span>I disagree, I don't believe a cursory overview would have eliminated the error, it might have, but I'm not convinced. It's too difficult to remember 3/4 roll or 1/4 roll, push or pull, inverted or upright. If a judge is looking at more than one sequence, especially if it's masters and FAI, remembering which maneuver came in and what is should be is not very likely. I've spent a bit of time in the chair this year and decided that a scribe is almost mandatory for me, and asking the caller to sound off like he has a pair, helps. At the end of the day, it comes down to imperfect humans trying to impartially judge a multi-segment maneuver that takes just a couple of seconds to complete and then on to the next maneuver. With that in mind, I'm really loving the slower pace of play that todays models exhibit compared to some of the early turn-around models.</span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>Alan</span></div> <br><div><br><br></div><div style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, June 28, 2015 10:01 PM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-dist8 <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div><div><div dir="ltr">I agree....that's why I didn't point out who or when it was. In this particular case, the error was so blatant, if the judges had a cursory overview of the schedule, they would have seen it easily. </div><div><div><br clear="none"><div>On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:50 PM, <a href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">trexlesh@msn.com</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">trexlesh@msn.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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<div style="font-size:10pt"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr">I feel "touched".... :-)</div><span></span><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr">Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Tablet</div></div>
<div style="font-size:10pt"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr">------ Original message------</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>From: </b>Patrick Harris<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>Date: </b>Sun, Jun 28, 2015 9:40 PM</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>To: </b>Gordon Anderson;</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>Cc: </b>R LESHER;AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY;</div><div><div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Contest Scores</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><div><div><div dir="ltr">Speaking of scores....This is a bit of a touchy subject, but I think it needs to be voiced. I really feel it is vitally important we be familiar with the sequences we are judging. Here is an example that I was able to garner from the results Gordon posted. <div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">At one of our contest, I witnessed a maneuver (I was not judging) that was flown totally wrong that it should have been a no question zero, yet the pilot received a 7 and an 8 from the judges.I won't name the pilot or the contest, but had the judges been familiar with the sequence, they would have known it immediately. It wasn't something like an a judgment call on a snap or a spin. </div></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Patrick Harris <span><<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr">Gordon,<div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">No problem I agree, I stayed inside and cut and buffed wings and stabs. </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Gordon Anderson <span><<a href="mailto:gaa@owt.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">gaa@owt.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr">Sorry I was so far behind! I will try to keep up with things the rest of the season…. it was too hot here today to anything outside so it was a good day to spend behind the keyboard!<span><font color="#888888"></font></span><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">—Gordon</div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Jun 28, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Harris <<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Gordon,<div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Thanks for getting the results up and running! </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, <a href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">trexlesh@msn.com</a> <span><<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div style="padding-bottom:40px" dir="ltr"> <div style="font-size:10pt" dir="ltr"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr">Looking at the raw scores can tell you where you are lacking or winning in comparing pilot scores. To me, the best thing about Gordon's scoring sheets is the running summary of the average scores and points cost of individual maneuvers. That will instantly tell me where I need to improve. </div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr">Comparing normalized scores between you and the other pilots is a quick way to see if you are gaining or not, but you have to see where in the sequence that is happening. The only way to do that is to see the other pilot raw scores in each maneuver. </div><span></span><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr">Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Tablet</div></div><div style="font-size:10pt" dir="ltr"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr">------ Original message------</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>From: </b>Karl Watts via NSRCA-dist8<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>Date: </b>Sun, Jun 28, 2015 6:46 PM</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>To: </b>Gordon Anderson;</div><span></span><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>Cc: </b>AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY;</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Contest Scores</div><div style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Oh, I did not know I could see raw scores. This helps as I try to compare my flights to others from another contest.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Gordon Anderson <<a href="mailto:gaa@owt.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">gaa@owt.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr">Karl,</div><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr">It is kind of hard to do, you can see all the scores on the web site even each pilot's raw scores. I think the best comparison would be the normalized scores but this is not perfect. There has been a lot of debate over normalization. You can at least get a pretty good idea.</div><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr">You can learn a lot looking at the scores and seeing how consistent the pilots are etc. There is a lot to be said for consistency.</div><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr">--Gordon<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Jun 28, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Karl Watts <<a href="mailto:karlwatt@sarmc.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">karlwatt@sarmc.org</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Yes, this makes sense. So I really cannot compare my scores in Redmond contest to how pilots did in the Boise contest?</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Karl<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Gordon Anderson <<a href="mailto:gaa@owt.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">gaa@owt.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Ok the web site 2015 contest results are posted. I still have to update the district champ rules as per the new rules and post the current results. I will do this later this week I hope. Please check out the site and make sure I have this correct, let me know if you find any errors.<div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Karl,</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Please reference this link from Redmond: <a href="http://www.nsrca.us/contest_results/2015/D8/Redmond/contestResults.XML" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">http://www.nsrca.us/contest_results/2015/D8/Redmond/contestResults.XML</a></div><div dir="ltr">It shows the standings and has detail you don't see on your score sheets. So here is how the scoring works:</div><div dir="ltr">1.) We generally fly 6 rounds and you take your top 4 rounds and sum them to get your final score.</div><div dir="ltr">2.) Your score sheets show your raw scores that have had the Kfactors applies. </div><div dir="ltr">3.) Your raw scores are normalized to the highest scoring pilot in each round. The highest scoring pilots gets 1000 points and all the other pilots are normalized to this highest score. So if you received a raw score that was 90% of the highest scoring pilot you would get 900 points. </div><div dir="ltr">4.) Your four highest rounds are then summed to get your final score. If you look at the link you will see lines through your rounds that were thrown out.</div><div dir="ltr">5.) The highest possible total score is 4000 if you win 4 rounds.</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">I hope this makes sense??<br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">--Gordon</div></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Jun 28, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Patrick Harris <<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Outstanding...thank you. </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Gordon Anderson <span><<a href="mailto:gaa@owt.com" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">gaa@owt.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div dir="ltr">i will as soon as I finish posted all the web updates, should finish in 10 to 15 mins....<div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr"><div style="text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal" dir="ltr">--g</div></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Jun 28, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-dist8 <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Gordon or Rex....you want to explain "Normalization"? </div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Karl Watts <span><<a href="mailto:karlwatt@sarmc.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank">karlwatt@sarmc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">So what is the connection between the scores I get handed to me after each round and the ones that determine the places?<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Karl<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Confidentiality Notice:<br clear="none">This e-mail, including any attachments is the property of Trinity Health and is intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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