<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Bob, are you coming to the red apple?</div><div><br></div><div>Gordo<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 21, 2014, at 10:18 AM, "Gail & Robert Walker" <<a href="mailto:grbwii@comcast.net">grbwii@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Gee Pat,</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"> And you kept telling me I was sloppy when I
was actually flying it right:-)</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">
Bob W</font></div>
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<a title="harris7148@gmail.com" href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com">Patrick
Harris</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org">AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:15
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Red Apple
Pattern Contest</div>
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<div>Gentlemen,,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>We have a very important judging issue that needs to be addressed. In the
June K Factor proof, the Judging Committee took a reversed stance on how a few
FAI maneuvers are to be judged. I will go over this at Wenatchee for the folks
that don't receive this email. Here is the article:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>For this month’s column we have a few important clarifications
to </div>
<div>make for certain FAI maneuvers. We learned of these issues
from </div>
<div>the F3A Sub-committee chairman at the AOC F3A Competition </div>
<div>in Thailand. We then did some research with our compatriots </div>
<div>in Europe and the rest of the world. We decided it was very </div>
<div>important to align ourselves with the rest of the FAI
community </div>
<div>in the world and to get this information out as quickly as
possible </div>
<div>so that all of our pilots and judges could digest this before
our </div>
<div>Nationals and Team Selection event in July. </div>
<div>First, for the FAI Golf Ball maneuver (P15 and F15) we have
stated </div>
<div>that the rolls on the 45° up/down lines must be centered on
the </div>
<div>line segments AND centered on the center pole. After
carefully </div>
<div>looking at the geometry and drawing a lot of pictures we realize
we </div>
<div>were mistaken! The rolls MUST be centered on the line
segments </div>
<div>that they are contained in, this might or might not mean that
the </div>
<div>rolls will be centered on the center pole. In several “normal”
loop </div>
<div>size drawings that we have made, they are not centered on the </div>
<div>center pole, they are offset slightly. Depending on the radius of
the </div>
<div>loop segments the rolls can properly occur before, at or after
the </div>
<div>intersection of the two line segments. As judges we must
simply </div>
<div>verify that the roll element is in the center of the line
segment </div>
<div>that contains it. Of course the apex of the ¾ loop segment
must </div>
<div>be over the center pole for proper centering of the maneuver.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>The second clarification concerns the Double Immelman </div>
<div>maneuver that is in both the P15 and the F15 sequences. Under </div>
<div>AMA rules a Double Immelman maneuver is defined as a square </div>
<div>with half loop segments on each end and that is the way we
have </div>
<div>been writing about and recommending judging these maneuvers </div>
<div>in FAI. The FAI maneuver however is defined differently; it has
no </div>
<div>express relationship between the horizontal line segments and </div>
<div>the half loop diameter. Thus, this maneuver can be wider than
it </div>
<div>is tall or taller than it is wide with no geometry downgrade.
Bear </div>
<div>in mind though that other downgrades we have mentioned are </div>
<div>still applicable, rolls must begin immediately after loop
segments, </div>
<div>loops must be round with no flat spots, etc…</div>
<div>The third clarification is closely related to the second.
This </div>
<div>concerns the center Top Hat maneuver in P15. In AMA rules a </div>
<div>center Top Hat is defined as 3 legs of a square. That is the
vertical </div>
<div>legs must be equal to the horizontal leg. Again, the FAI rules
do </div>
<div>not state this. Therefore, in FAI, a center Top Hat shall have
both </div>
<div>vertical legs the same length but there is no required
relationship </div>
<div>to the horizontal leg. I.e. it can be wide and short or tall and
skinny </div>
<div>with no geometry downgrade as long as the vertical legs are
the </div>
<div>same length.</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>We hope that this clarifies the proper judging of these
maneuvers </div>
<div>for you. Please remember, these clarifications are for FAI only!
The </div>
<div>AMA rules require that a center Top Hat be 3 sides of a
square </div>
<div>and a Double Immelman be a square with half loop segments on </div>
<div>each end when flown in an AMA pattern class.</div>
<div>Remember; never take your eyes off the plane when judging… </div>
<div>Keep your wings level!</div></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>See you guys in a few days.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Pat</div></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:48 AM, J N Hiller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks Gordon. I forgot all
about pre-registering.<u></u><u></u></span></font></span></p>
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Message-----<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> <a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Gordon
Anderson<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday,
May 21, 2014 6:09 AM<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b>
AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY<br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-dist8] Red Apple
Pattern Contest</span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This
Memorial Day weekend is the D8 Pattern season opening contest held in
Wenatchee Washington. You can find all the details on the NSRCA we site at
this link: <a href="http://nsrca.us/index.php/d8-contest-schedule/2014" target="_blank">http://nsrca.us/index.php/d8-contest-schedule/2014</a></span></font><font color="black"><span style="COLOR: black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If you
plan to attend this contest please register using the link provided on the
NSRCA web site. This helps us accelerate the contest
setup.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="COLOR: black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If your
flying FAI you will want to checkout this link for details on how this class
is flown in D8: <a href="http://nsrca.us/index.php/d8-contest-schedule/contest-details" target="_blank">http://nsrca.us/index.php/d8-contest-schedule/contest-details</a></span></font><font color="black"><span style="COLOR: black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Hope to
see you in Wenatchee this weekend!</span></font><font color="black"><span style="COLOR: black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in" class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">--Gordon<br><u></u><br><u></u></span></font><font color="black"><span style="COLOR: black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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