I just go "Mechanical" on the rudder. If I finished the first roll with "left" rudder, the opposite roll starts with "left" rudder.<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 8:30 PM, alan wellentin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:a_wellentin@yahoo.com" target="_blank">a_wellentin@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Yep, forgot about the slow rolls reversed. Very reminiscent of the 4 of 8 slow roll reversed. Gordon is right, getting a slow roll to hit three seconds or more isn't difficult until you need to do it twice and remain in the box. Up until the other day, I had never done a slow roll to the left, scary stuff, I gave the wrong flippin rudder near every time. Like Jim said, slow down and move out. Also, don't come in on the stall turn, if you have an incoming line, your a dead duck or at least a really rushed duck for the next few maneuvers.</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div><div><span>Alan<var></var></span></div><div><span></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">
<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <div style="margin:5px 0px;padding:0px;border:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);line-height:0;font-size:0px;min-height:0px" readonly></div> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> J N Hiller <<a href="mailto:jnhiller@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jnhiller@earthlink.net</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>> <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 4, 2012 6:46 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters<br> </font> </div><div><div class="h5"> <br>
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<div><span><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Yah this
one sucks. Probably need about 9 sec between the turnaround radiuses. Need to fly
slow or far out.</span></font></span></div>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Gordon Anderson<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 04, 2012
6:28 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Masters</span></font></div>
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<div style="margin-left:0.5in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">regarding
slow rolls; I gave a lot of down grades last season because the slow rolls were
too fast. The rule books say 3 secs minimum. So make sure your slow rolls are
in fact slow!</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin-left:0.5in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">--Gordon</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin-left:0.5in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Nov 4,
2012, at 6:12 PM, Patrick Harris <<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
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<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Alan,</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">I was having
the same problem with the 1 1/2 snap. I talked to Arch Stafford a week or so
ago and he said to try holding about 1/4 power on the 45 downline and go
to low just before the snap. He also said to come out of the elevator early.
The up elevator on the last 1/2 snap pitches the plane down. Sounds easy enough
until you try it. So far, holding power seems to help some, but I havn't been
able to time the elevator.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have flown
the new Masters about fifteen to twenty times and have most of the
little stuff figured out. Here is my assessment.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">2. Clover. I
am doing a three count on the up line before the 2 of 4 and after. Nice big
outside loop and you need to draw a good long line before and after
the full roll (I am doing a 2 to 3 count before and after the roll). een
able to time the elevator. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">3. Stall
turn, full roll up, 2 of 4 down. Use all the box as you will need it for the
next maneuver. Other than that, no big deal.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">4. Two slow
rolls reversed. Not all that hard, but it needs to be started really early just
after the stall turn. Stall turn, short line, roll. So far tough for me to
center.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">5. Half loop
2 of 4 up exit inverted. OK, here’s the trick to the next maneuver, the figure
Z. This one needs to be really, really high. Use every bit of the box. I am
doing a slow 3 count before and after the 2 of 4. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">6. Figure Z.
If you set it up high, it’s not all that hard to get it centered. If it’s not
set up high, you will have a short leg after the 2 of 4 and it will look ugly.
I am using a 2 or 3 count past center on the first inverted leg before the
first inside loop. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">7. Humpty. No
issues.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">8. Triangle
loop, ½ rolls each leg. I am doing a 3 count after center before the first
pull, followed by a 3 count between each ½ roll. The 3 count is keeping it nice
and big. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">9. Stall
turn, 2 of 4 up, 4 of 4 down. Needs to be set up at the edge of the box for the
next maneuver. Draw a good long line before the 2 of 4. I am doing a 3 count
before and after the 2 of 4. After the stall turn, draw a short line and come
into the 4 of 4 quick. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">10. Top hat.
Short line after the stall turn and come into it early. 2 of 4 on up
line….first quarter turn towards pilot (canopy)…it looks better. Snap out…it
looks better. 2 of 4 down…first quarter turn toward pilot (canopy)…it looks
better. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">11. Humpty, ¾
turn up. Not hard, just have to remember which way to roll. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">12. Eight
sided loop. No big deal, but can get real ugly, real fast. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">13. Full
roll, half outside loop. Keep the loop nice and big for the Cuban and the next
two turn around’s.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">14. Reverse
Cuban eight 1 ½ snap, 4 of 8. Carry power on the 45 before the snap and get out
of the elevator fast. Easier said than done. This will help to hold the 45.
Snap out…it looks better.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">15. Figure
six. No big deal unless you don’t set the Cuban up high. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">16. Reverse
knife edge, inverted exit. No big deal, just remember which way to roll for the
inverted. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">17. ¾ Figure
8. Needs to be set up high (maneuver 13). Needs to end high for the spin.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">18 2 ½ spin,
2 of 4 out. All about timing. </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Pat</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="margin-right:0.5in;margin-left:1in"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:15 PM, alan
wellentin <<a href="mailto:a_wellentin@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a_wellentin@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
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<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Well, I got a chance to fly through the new sequence on
Friday. I didn't have a chance to fly through it from start to finish, I
didn't have a caller and I couldn't remember the whole sequnce. I think
it's going to be a fun one. A couple of observations that I had; </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">
The cuban 8 with a snap and a half isn't as bad as I had imagined it to be, I
only flew it twice but I think it will be a doable maneuver. I found the
biggest obstacle is going to be the exit heading after the snap, I ended up
going from a 45 down to about a 65 down.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"> I
really wasn't thrilled with the notion of the stall turn 2 of 4 up, 4 point
down. In reallity, it isn't bad as long as the up line roll portions are
started well into the up line to allow centering and altitude for the 4 point
down.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"> The
figure Z is a bit tougher to center than I thought it would be. I judged
about 500 of the things in contests and could figure out why the roll segments
weren't centered and why the bottom line was always pulled early, now I
know. It's just not as easy a maneuver as I originaly thought it was.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"> It
will be strange doing the reverse knife edge through the middle of the box
instead of on the floor, also rolling out inverted will take some brainwashing,
old habit of rolling back to upright will have to corrected.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
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<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">I'm figuring on selling the Miss wind, it just flies too different
compared to the Scandalous. It took a couple of gallons of fuel just to
shake the old habitual corrections/inputs that the Wind needed but the
Scandalous doesn't. I thinking around the 525-550 range for the plane
minus receiver but including 4, 6S packs. I don't want to ship but I have
no issues meeting someplace for delivery.</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Later,</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
<div style="padding:0in;border:currentColor;margin-right:0.5in;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:76.8pt"><font color="black" size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt">Alan</span></font><font color="black"><span></span></font></div>
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