So now that most of you have had a while to think about this, here are the options.<div><br></div><div>"1" Leave the system as is</div><div><br></div><div>"2" Set our system up as IMAC does with a "Seniors Division" only</div>
<div><br></div><div>"3" Set up our system per "Seniors Division", but open to all ages.</div><div><br></div><div>"4" Integrate both.</div><div><br></div><div>If we go with "3", what do we call it?</div>
<div> <br>Ideas...input</div><div><br></div><div>Pat Harris</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Dennis Cone <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patternpilot25@gmail.com" target="_blank">patternpilot25@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Well I used Linda's iPhone and it made me 120. I like mine better.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sent from my Xoom using Ice Creme Sandwich</p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 26, 2012 8:23 PM, "Gordon Anderson" <<a href="mailto:gaa@owt.com" target="_blank">gaa@owt.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hey Dennis,<div><br></div><div>You must be counting your age base 16, or maybe you are using that samsung not so smartphone to figure out your age... dude, get an iPhone!</div><div><br></div>
<div>--Gordon</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 26, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Dennis Cone <<a href="mailto:patternpilot25@gmail.com" target="_blank">patternpilot25@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Well I guess this just leaves me out. I won’t be 55 for a few more years.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
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<div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-" target="_blank">nsrca-</a><a href="mailto:dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b><a href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">trexlesh@msn.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:32 AM<br><b>To:</b><span> </span>AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY<br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Senior Division<u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">But I'm so young! ...and shy<br><br>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone<u></u><u></u></p>
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To: "&apos;AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY&apos;" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Senior Division<br>
Date: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:24 am<u></u><u></u></p></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Age handicap? That’s not fair. It gives Rex a big lead.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span> </span><a href="mailto:[mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">[mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]</a><span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b><a href="mailto:trexlesh@msn.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">trexlesh@msn.com</a><br>
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<u></u> <u></u></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Mind your elders, young man!<br><br>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone<u></u><u></u></p>
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To: "AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY" <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">nsrca-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>Subject: [NSRCA-dist8] Senior Division<br>
Date: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:16 pm<u></u><u></u></p></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>For the record, even though I am<span> </span><b><u>younger</u></b><span> </span>then Rex; I will be 55 next year.<u></u><u></u></div>
<div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
Another idea would be to use pilot age for handicapping. Something simple: Calculate the adjusted score by taking flight percentage as Pat outline then multiplying it times the pilots age. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div>
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<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Mike <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
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On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Gordon Anderson <<a href="mailto:gaa@owt.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gaa@owt.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
Pat,<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
I agree, it adds another element of competition and all it takes is a little more reporting. I see no reason not to do it, you should write up the idea and send it to Rex to publish in the K-Factor! Other districts may want to try the same thing.<u></u><u></u></div>
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--Gordon<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
On Sep 25, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Patrick Harris <<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></p><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Gordon,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
Actually Mike's idea has a lot of merit as well. By including all ages, it creates a contest within a contest. Besides, It's the only way I'll ever be able to beat Alex! For most of the year, Dick flying Sportsman by himself, would of had a chance to beat guys in all other classes, Pretty interesting.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Pat<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Gordon Anderson <<a href="mailto:gaa@owt.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gaa@owt.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
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Pat,<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">This would be pretty easy to do. I think I can easily add this to the existing program. I will work on this and have it ready for next season, its basically just a reporting issue, the only new data I need is age.<u></u><u></u></div>
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<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Cool idea.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">--Gordon<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u> <u></u></div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Patrick Harris <<a href="mailto:harris7148@gmail.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">harris7148@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div>
</div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
At the Richland contest, I discussed with a few attendees, the possibility of introducing a Seniors Division into our events such as IMAC does.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Some of you may be aware of a gentleman by the name of Ron Smith (AKA Captain Kaos). Ron has been around the pattern scene for many years (thus the AKA name). Ron was instrumental in working with IMAC to set up the current Seniors Division, first introduced a few years ago in the IMAC Pacific Northwest District. IMAC has now rolled out this program on a nationwide basis.<u></u><u></u></div>
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I have been in contact with Ron and he is excited at the possibility of introducing a similar program into Pattern. Ron has stressed he will be of help in any way he can.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">The mechanics of this program are very straight forward. First off, IMAC uses age 55 or older as their cutoff (I think that pretty much includes all of us). In a nutshell, what they do is use the “percentage of possible points” per round compared to all other competitors’ scores. By doing this, you are competing with all other contestants, regardless of their class. So in other words, if a Sportsman flew a round and received 75% of the total points available for that class, he would finish higher versus a Master’s pilot scoring 74% of the total points available.<u></u><u></u></div>
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Gordon’s spreadsheet is already calculating a “percentage of points”, so I trust it would not be too difficult to integrate it into our system. <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
<u></u><u></u></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Following is the info off the IMAC web site that should clear up any confusion I may have created:<u></u><u></u></div>
<div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">
Starting in 2009, we are introducing the<span> </span><b>“IMAC Senior Points Series”.<span> </span></b>This series is open to any IMAC member who competes in any IMAC Regional Points Series (IRPS) contest, in the Sportsman thru Unlimited class and is fortunate enough to be<span> </span><u>55 years</u><span> </span>of age or older at the start of any IRPS contest. (Sorry kids, you will just have to wait a few more years.) This series, held in the NW region since 2004, has been a great success and is now expanding to all IMAC regions.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">At each contest throughout the flying season, the Senior Competition is held<span> </span><strong><i><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">in conjunction</span></i></strong><span> </span><em><b><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">with</span></b></em><span> </span>your normal IMAC class. Scores are based on the pilots percentage achieved against the maximum possible raw score for their class. You are flying against other Senior pilots in Sportsman thru Unlimited classes.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">For example, the 2009 Sportsman sequence has a total of 2,210 points available per judge per sequence; with 2 judges this equals 4,420 points. If the pilot’s raw score is 3,536 points that is 80.00% of the available points. If an Unlimited Senior pilot scores 75.00% of his available points, the sportsman pilot wins that particular sequence. These percentage scores are calculated in the scoring program automatically and normalized against all other Senior pilots by round. Standard formats for throw-out sequences and normalizing are still the same.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">There are no additional fees, sequences, or rounds flown and you are<span> </span><em><b><span style="font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">still</span></b></em><span> </span>competing in your normal IMAC class. All points, placements and/or trophies you earn for your class are still awarded. The host club has the option to award a 1<sup>st</sup><span> </span>place Senior award if they choose, but it is not mandatory<u>.</u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Entering the Senior Competition is the eligible pilot’s choice and is not mandatory, however, if you decline to join, your points are not retroactively applied later in the year. Once you join then the region will keep your scores for the year.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">At the end of the regular season in each region and just like the regular Regional Points Series, the Senior Points Series winners for the season will be awarded first through third place based on their top five contests (normalized - as in the regular class regional points standings and ties will be settled in the same manner).<u></u><u></u></p>
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