<html><head><base href="x-msg://297/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I have a lot of contest data we can ply with so it will be fun to see what happens to the results. The one contest i did test with was just like you said, only the lower places were impacted, that may make sense the more I think about it.<div><br></div><div>--Gordon</div><div><br><div><div>On May 7, 2011, at 9:46 AM, J N Hiller wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="EmailStyle16" style="color: navy; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Good morning Gordon. I caught this before retiring to the shop.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="EmailStyle16" style="color: navy; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">I'm good with all of it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="EmailStyle16" style="color: navy; "><font size="2" color="red" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: red; ">"</span></font></span><font color="red"><span style="color: red; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I have heard a lot of speculation about using no normalization___."</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span> </span>This is interesting.</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">I understand the reasons and need to use normalization especially at large contests but never favored it. Normalization almost makes each round a mini contest used for contest placement rather than an accumulation of successful flights. I prefer my score to be solely my own not a percentage of someone else's good or bad flight but I do this as a personal challenge.</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">When I was VP in the mid 80's normalization was adopted and I computed raw score placement from published NATS results to understand it's fairness and as I remember placement didn't change above about 6 th place.</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color: navy; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="navy" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; ">Jim</span></font><span class="EmailStyle16" style="color: navy; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="EmailStyle16" style="color: navy; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; color: black; ">-----Original Message-----<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces@lists.nsrca.org]<b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Gordon Anderson<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:01 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[NSRCA-dist8] scoring</span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "> <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">All,</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "> </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">I would like to hear your thoughts on a couple of issues about the scoring program.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "> </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">As you all know my scoring program always shows 4 of 6 rounds when the standings are reported during the contest. This means as the event proceeds no rounds will be dropped until we fly the 5th round. </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">The guys in D7 that use my program would prefer a different display mode during the event as defined below:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">Rounds flown<span class="apple-tab-span"><span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span>Rounds used </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">1<span class="apple-tab-span"><span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span>1</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">2<span class="apple-tab-span"><span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span>2</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">3<span class="apple-tab-span"><span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span>2</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">4<span class="apple-tab-span"><span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span>3</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">5<span class="apple-tab-span"><span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span>4</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">6<span class="apple-tab-span"><span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span>4</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">To keep things simple I would like to use the same procedure here in D8, are you all ok with this?</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "> </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">Also I have added three normalization schemes to the scoring program:</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">1.) Normalize to the maximum round score. This is the default mode we always use and the AMA rule book mode.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">2.) Normalize to the average of all pilots for each round. This is a mode one of the guys in D7 wants to try, interesting!</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">3.) No normalization, use raw scores.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "> </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">So for fun at the contests we can see what the impact would be of different modes by just selecting each option and printing the results. I am not proposing that we do it any different than before but it will be fun to see the affect. I have heard a lot of speculation about using no normalization so now we can see!</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "> </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">Thoughts?</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">Comments?</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">Ideas?</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; "> </span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: black; ">--Gordon</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-dist8 mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-dist8@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-dist8@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist8">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist8</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>