[NSRCA-dist8] Contest Scores

Sun Jun 28 21:01:49 AKDT 2015

I agree....that's why I didn't point out who or when it was. In this
particular case, the error was so blatant, if the judges had a cursory
overview of the schedule, they would have seen it easily.

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:50 PM, trexlesh at msn.com <trexlesh at msn.com> wrote:

>  I feel "touched"....  :-)
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Tablet
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>
> ------ Original message------
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> *From: *Patrick Harris
>
> *Date: *Sun, Jun 28, 2015 9:40 PM
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> *To: *Gordon Anderson;
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> *Cc: *R LESHER;AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY;
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> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Contest Scores
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>
> Speaking of scores....This is a bit of a touchy subject, but I think it
> needs to be voiced. I really feel it is vitally important we be familiar
> with the sequences we are judging. Here is an example that I was able to
> garner from the results Gordon posted.
>
> At one of our contest, I witnessed a maneuver (I was not judging) that was
> flown totally wrong that it should have been a no question zero, yet the
> pilot received a 7 and an 8 from the judges.I won't name the pilot or the
> contest, but had the judges been familiar with the sequence, they would
> have known it immediately. It wasn't something like an a judgment call on a
> snap or a spin.
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Gordon,
>>
>> No problem  I agree, I stayed inside and cut and buffed wings and stabs.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Gordon Anderson <gaa at owt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry I was so far behind! I will try to keep up with things the rest of
>>> the season…. it was too hot here today to anything outside so it was a good
>>> day to spend behind the keyboard!
>>>
>>> —Gordon
>>>
>>> On Jun 28, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gordon,
>>>
>>> Thanks for getting the results up and running!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:13 PM, trexlesh at msn.com <
>>> nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looking at the raw scores can tell you where you are lacking or winning
>>>> in comparing pilot scores.  To me, the best thing about Gordon's scoring
>>>> sheets is the running summary of the average scores and points cost of
>>>> individual maneuvers.  That will instantly tell me where I need to improve.
>>>>
>>>> Comparing normalized scores between you and the other pilots is a quick
>>>> way to see if you are gaining or not, but you have to see where in the
>>>> sequence that is happening.  The only way to do that is to see the other
>>>> pilot raw scores in each maneuver.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Tablet
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original message------
>>>> *From: *Karl Watts via NSRCA-dist8
>>>> *Date: *Sun, Jun 28, 2015 6:46 PM
>>>> *To: *Gordon Anderson;
>>>> *Cc: *AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY;
>>>> *Subject:*Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Contest Scores
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I did not know I could see raw scores.  This helps as I try to
>>>> compare my flights to others from another contest.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Gordon Anderson <gaa at owt.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Karl,
>>>>
>>>> It is kind of hard to do, you can see all the scores on the web site
>>>> even each pilot's raw scores. I think the best comparison would be the
>>>> normalized scores but this is not perfect. There has been a lot of debate
>>>> over normalization. You can at least get a pretty good idea.
>>>>
>>>> You can learn a lot looking at the scores and seeing how consistent the
>>>> pilots are etc. There is a lot to be said for consistency.
>>>>
>>>> --Gordon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2015, at 5:15 PM, Karl Watts <karlwatt at sarmc.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, this makes sense.  So I really cannot compare my scores in Redmond
>>>> contest to how pilots did in the Boise contest?
>>>>
>>>> Karl
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Gordon Anderson <gaa at owt.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ok the web site 2015 contest results are posted. I still have to update
>>>> the district champ rules as per the new rules and post the current results.
>>>> I will do this later this week I hope. Please check out the site and make
>>>> sure I have this correct, let me know if you find any errors.
>>>>
>>>> Karl,
>>>>
>>>> Please reference this link from Redmond:
>>>> http://www.nsrca.us/contest_results/2015/D8/Redmond/contestResults.XML
>>>> It shows the standings and has detail you don't see on your score
>>>> sheets. So here is how the scoring works:
>>>> 1.) We generally fly 6 rounds and you take your top 4 rounds and sum
>>>> them to get your final score.
>>>> 2.) Your score sheets show your raw scores that have had the Kfactors
>>>> applies.
>>>> 3.) Your raw scores are normalized to the highest scoring pilot in each
>>>> round. The highest scoring pilots gets 1000 points and all the other pilots
>>>> are normalized to this highest score. So if you received a raw score that
>>>> was 90% of the highest scoring pilot you would get 900 points.
>>>> 4.) Your four highest rounds are then summed to get your final score.
>>>> If you look at the link you will see lines through your rounds that were
>>>> thrown out.
>>>> 5.) The highest possible total score is 4000 if you win 4 rounds.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this makes sense??
>>>>
>>>> --Gordon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 28, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Outstanding...thank you.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Gordon Anderson <gaa at owt.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i will as soon as I finish posted all the web updates, should finish
>>>>> in 10 to 15 mins....
>>>>>
>>>>> --g
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 28, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Patrick Harris via NSRCA-dist8 <
>>>>> nsrca-dist8 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Gordon or Rex....you want to explain "Normalization"?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Karl Watts <karlwatt at sarmc.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> So what is the connection between the scores I get handed to me after
>>>>>> each round and the ones that determine the places?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karl
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