[NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern

Wed Feb 19 18:20:04 AKST 2014

Hello,
  When I first asked Pat my question about the Katanna I was just pulling Pat's chain. But in reality I think the idea of flying a modern electric arf that is not a dated "classic" design is out of the question!!! I really like Ray and Jim's thoughts that if we are going to do this we:
      1- Honor the concept of "Classic" as those type of planes that did non turn around originally.
      2- Keep the 60 size power concept whether wet or dry.
      3- The concept that this is a fun thing to do and if we keep it simple it will grow it popularity!!!
      4- From the quick response to this missive it looks like there is a whole lot of interest, so, let's pay attention
           to number 3 above, not get super serious and "rock" this summer. 
  Just my thoughts,
                Bob W

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J N Hiller 
  To: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY 
  Cc: Ray Gauthier ; Arthur F. Kelly ; Gary McClellan ; Rick Bergeron ; Rudy 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern

  Yes!

  Eliminating the year eliminates the need for certification or differences of opinion.

  I think there were several 120 designs such as the 2 plus 2 which were approximately a 2M airplane flying prior to TA. Maybe a NATS equipment list exists from about 1989. If I get bored tonight maybe I'll look fore one.

  I don't know that I'd encourage the Option-120 although it certainly could have existed in the 80's, it didn't. However the 60 size Option-3, a simple fixed gear design did and it flew well with a muffler or piped 60 / 61 or 91 four stroke. 

  Jim

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Harris
  Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 5:08 PM
  To: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY
  Cc: Gary McClellan; Ray Gauthier; Arthur F. Kelly; Rudy; Rick Bergeron
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern

  Jim,

  That's pretty much in line with what Ray had to say, which is to limit it to "aircraft designed to fly pattern that were originally intended for glow engines. These same period aircraft can be currently powered by electric motors.

  Is this in line with your thinking?

  This eliminates the "year" issue.

  Gary did bring up an issue with 120 sized planes like the Option 120. Although not truly classic, these type of planes were indeed used in pre turnaround were they not?

  Pat

  On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:59 PM, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:

  Pat I gave that some thought last night.

  Traditional classic / ballistic aircraft were GLOW POWER designs. There may be an electric power exception but very rare and specific.

  We were to restrict it to these period glow power designs ore electric conversions.

  Just a thought!

  Jim

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist8-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Harris
  Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 3:41 PM
  To: Gail & Robert Walker

  Cc: Gary McClellan; AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Ray Gauthier; Arthur F. Kelly; Rudy; Rick Bergeron
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist8] Classic Pattern

  Bob,

  Under the laid out guide line, I would say Yes it would be OK, but the intent is to keep it to Old School. To me a 3D ARF of modern design does not fit the "Old School" criteria. This stuff isn't in stone so we can still adjust as we go. Any thoughts from everyone on how to write this is most appreciated. Like Jim, said we don't want to alienate anyone, but we do need some sort of guideline.

  Pat

  On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Gail & Robert Walker <grbwii at comcast.net> wrote:

  Pat,

    Just checking, but would that mean that I could use my electric Katanna(SP)? You say it fly at Dusters the other day. I would have to tone the throws down a bit, but it seems to fit your specs?

                Bob W

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: Patrick Harris 

  To: Ray Gauthier 

  Cc: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY ; Brad Burden ; Bob Walker ; Rudy ; Rick Bergeron ; alan wellentin ; Arthur F. Kelly ; Bill Carder ; Gary McClellan 

  Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:21 PM

  Subject: Re: Classic Pattern

  Very cool 

  On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Raymond C. Gauthier <rc.gauthier at comcast.net> wrote:

  A pic of the Dalotel is attached.  Pretty cool eh?

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  I'm hoping I have something old hanging in the garage that would fill the bill.  I know I have a scale French aerobatic airplane, a Dalotel, which is the right size and pretty much in flyable (wet power) condition.  When I'm back in town I'll have to dig it out and see how it flies the Novice pattern.

  Ray

  From: Patrick Harris [mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com] 

  Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 12:53 PM
  To: Ray Gauthier

  Cc: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob Walker; Rudy; Rick Bergeron; alan wellentin; Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary McClellan
  Subject: Re: Classic Pattern 

  Ray,

  Yes. By saying 60 size that pretty much limits you to pre 80's planes. Are we going to turn away a guy that walks up with a little Osiris? The way it's written, no we wouldn't turn him away, but I think this is going to be a non issue or infrequent if at all. . We need to keep this real simple and have fun.

  On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Raymond C. Gauthier <rc.gauthier at comcast.net> wrote:

  Does no year restrictions mean any airplane that fits the size and power guidelines?

  From: Patrick Harris [mailto:harris7148 at gmail.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:47 AM
  To: AK, ID, MT, OR, WA, WY; Brad Burden; Bob Walker; Ray Gauthier; Rudy; Rick Bergeron; alan wellentin; Arthur F. Kelly; Bill Carder; Gary McClellan
  Subject: Classic Pattern

  Just a quick update. I have had a few question from a couple of CD's in regards to Classic pattern this year. The bottom line is we do this is to have fun and we don't want to load this up with a bunch of rules. 

  Long story short, here are the only criteria. Keep in mind we will likely tweak this as we go:

  No year restrictions

  60 class planes or smaller

  6 cell maximum for electrics

  That's it. We will fly two schedules this year which are Novice and Advanced which can be found here;

  http://www.classicpatternassociation.com/uploads/CPA_call_card.pdf

  At some of our contest we will fly classic Saturday and Sunday in the mornings due to sun issues (Woodburn, Redmond). At fields like Molalla that we can fly turnaround by 8:00, we will fly classic on Saturday after turnaround and it's the discretion of the CD to fly classic on Sunday. My guess is for those fields we will fly classic on Saturday only to get guys on the road Sunday.  

  Also, Gordon has been at it again with a great new feature on the D8 site. No longer will you have to search in vane for upcoming events to preregister on the NSRCA calendar. All you will need to do is click on the 2014 schedule on the D8 site and you will find an info link and a link to the calendar for preregistration. By the way, it is a great help to the CD"s and Gordon to preregister to all contest you plan to attend. Again, my thanks to Gordon. Without him, we wouldn't be where we are.  

  If you have questions or concerns, email or give me a call.

  503-454-0381

  Pat

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