It depends on how you do it, assuming two flight positions like we usually seem to have at local contests:<div><div><br></div><div>R1a: M-grpX (Judge A+B), Sportsman</div><div>R1b: M-grpY (Judge C+D), Intermediate </div><div>
R1c: FAI, Advanced</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>R2a: M-grpY (Judge A+B), Sportsman</div><div>R2b: M-grpX (Judge C+D), Intermediate</div><div>R2c: FAI, Advanced</div><div><br></div><div>No pair of judges is in the seat more than 1.25 hours at a time, probably less. They do have to judge two rounds, but the total # of pilots they judge is the same. If you have a big sportsman and a small intermediate count (or vice-versa) you can vary the # of pilots in group X and Y so that no line goes idle. You could even start FAI or Advanced on one line if necessary.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Peter+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Jon Carter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net">joncarter60@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Yes, but for that 2.5 hours NOTHING has
flown but Masters! This works out at the Nats but at the Nats you have 4 hours
set aside to fly nothing but Masters.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Peter Vogel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 03, 2012
9:06 PM</span></font></p><div><div class="h5"><font face="Tahoma"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Fwd: To
all D7 pattern pilots</font></div></div><u></u><u></u><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Well, with the matrix system you have 2 pilots sitting in a chair twice
for a total of 2.5 hours but when they are done they'll have judged TWO rounds,
not just one (though they'll have seen each individual pilot only once).
If there are 10-11 masters pilots it becomes even more workable, because
that makes each group of masters pilots about the same size as the sportsman
& intermediate classes.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Jon Carter <<a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net" target="_blank">joncarter60@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Peter – Interesting idea and I know that there are many ways to
break up judging time etc etc but the bottom line if there are 16 Masters
pilots at an event 2 pilots will be sitting in a chair for ~2.5 hours to judge
a round of Masters! Let’s not forget that we also have 4 other classes to fly
and judge! I’m not saying we will have 16 Masters at an event! We have not seen
that yet but it’s possible. Much more likely are 10 or 11 Masters pilots.
That’s still a solid 1.5 hours to get through in the chair! As you pointed out
the matrix system, or a modification to it, is the rulebook proposal to deal
with large classes It “kinda” works at the Nats but I don’t really see how it
would benefit us too much at our local events.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Food for thought though,</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thanks,</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Peter Vogel<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 03, 2012
1:27 PM</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="3" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-family:Tahoma"> Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Fwd: To all D7
pattern pilots</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Aren't there
already rules in place that allow for "balancing" a class that's kind
of big? It feels to me like we're trying to do gymnastics around the FAI
class (which, I think, should be treated as FAI: 4 P and 2 F rounds, but then,
I'm just a Sportsman, what do I know :-) to solve a problem in the Masters
class. The masters class is a destination in and of itself, by the very
nature of things, it will grow over time as people continue to matriculate into
it. The solution is already in the rulebook though -- you can run more
than one flight line for masters, with 2 sets of judges, as long as everyone
flies in front of a given pair of judges an equal number of times, the scoring
for the class as a whole works fine. So it would go something like this:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Today, you might
take 1 advanced and 1 FAI pilot (call them A and B) to judge a full round 1 of,
say 16 masters pilots, then another advanced and FAI pilot (call them C and D)
to judge a full round 2 of the same 16 masters pilots, etc.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Following the AMA
rulebook, you could instead do this: <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1. Break the
16 masters pilots into two groups X and Y, 8 pilots each<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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1 A+B judge group X, and C+D judge group Y<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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2 A+B judge group Y, and C+D judge group X<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Similarly for
rounds 3+4 (judges E-H) , 5+6 (judges I-L).<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Same amount of
overall time in the judges chair for A,B,C+D, etc. but instead of having
completed only 1 round of judging, they've completed 2, and broke the chair
time with a flight of their own in advanced + FAI rounds.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Rounds would
complete somewhat faster, in theory, but at some point the flightline is
consumed entirely by masters pilots, or you run sportsman + masters group X on
left + right stations and then intermediate and masters group Y on left+right
stations, then advanced + FAI on left + right stations. But you never
have one line idle for an extended period while the other is still pumping
masters pilots through a round<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Jan 3,
2012 at 10:06 AM, Dale Olstinske <<a href="mailto:dale@cadence.com" target="_blank">dale@cadence.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1f497d">Derek, The intention is not to force anyone to FAI, rather
create an environment whereby a Masters pilot who otherwise would not, may move
to FAI. </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1f497d">That said, how would we handle a contest with say 25
contestants, and 15 + masters pilots? I think is could very well happen. We
couldn’t put everyone on one line, that could take 2.5 hrs to complete a
round, with no judging snafu’s, probably longer.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> <a href="mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Derek Koopowitz<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, January 03, 2012
8:31 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> NSRCA Dist7<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [NSRCA-dist7] Fwd: To all
D7 pattern pilots</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1f497d">Jon,</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1f497d">I’ve been mulling this over since the original email from
you…</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1f497d">Here are my thoughts – leave it as is. The problem
isn’t with F3A… it’s with Masters. I don’t see why we have to modify the
F3A format to fix a problem with Masters. That doesn’t make any sense at
all.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1f497d">My preference is to have the same format as we did last
year – if the F3A pilot wants to fly F then let them fly F… if they don’t then
fly P without a penalty.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1f497d">Let’s come up with a workable solution for Masters – not
break up F3A to fix Masters. Masters is THE destination class for AMA –
not F3A. There is no way I would force anyone up from Masters just to
clear up a logjam in the class… we can come up with other, better solutions.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1f497d">Best,</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1f497d">-Derek</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font color="black" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Jon
Carter [mailto:<a href="mailto:joncarter60@comcast.net" target="_blank">joncarter60@comcast.net</a>]
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 02, 2012
1:48 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> CA, AZ, HI, NV,UT<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Adrian Wong; Bill Sneed; Bill
Wallace; Dale Olstinske; Derek Koopowitz; Dick Belden; Don Atwood; Frank
Capone; Frohreich, Greg; Jarvis Johnson; Jerry Budd; Jim Oddino; krishlan
fitzsimmons; <a href="mailto:kysung@comcast.net" target="_blank">kysung@comcast.net</a>;
Luke Peng; Lynn Burks; <a href="mailto:LuvtheRocs@aol.com" target="_blank">LuvtheRocs@aol.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:rob@koolsoft.com" target="_blank">rob@koolsoft.com</a>; Robert
Gillespie; Ron Davies; <a href="mailto:completemarine02@sprintpcs.com" target="_blank">completemarine02@sprintpcs.com</a>; steve hannah; Terry Walker;
Tom Messer; 'Jon Carter'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> To all D7 pattern pilots </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Happy New Year to all!!!</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Here is an e-mail I have been working on for the last month. I am
finally sending it out to start the discussion process. If there are pilots who
I have missed, please feel free to forward this e-mail to them.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">FAI and Masters in District 7: Issues and Opportunities</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I want to start some discussion among FAI pilots, Masters pilots and
CDs about the FAI and Masters class in District 7. Please keep in mind that
this discussion needs to focus on our experience here in District 7. This is a
revision to a section of my K-Factor article that will appear in January. Given
publication deadlines, I did not have the opportunity to get very much feedback
before I had to submit the article! I have since received some feedback which I
have added and this e-mail is my attempt to get more.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">In 2010 I heard from some of our local FAI pilots that they would
like to fly the finals or “F” sequence at local meets. They felt that getting
the opportunity to fly judged “F” sequences at our local contests would help
them improve their flying and enable them to be more competitive at the Nats. I
also heard that “FAI has two sequences so we really should fly them both in
order to “really” fly FAI” I polled and spoke to most of the FAI pilots in our
district and came up with a proposal. In 2010 we flew two rounds of judged “F”
at local contests but if a pilot did not want to fly “F” he could fly “P” for
those two rounds with no penalty. (We worked out a K-factor modification in an
attempt to score “P” and “F” together) In 2011 we went one step further
and had everyone fly two rounds of “F” at local contests. If a pilot did not
want to fly “F” he took a zero for those two rounds. I definitely heard some
feedback about that! I think the attendance numbers speak for themselves. In
2009 (“P” only) we had the highest number of pilots fly FAI since I have been
the district scorekeeper. At some local contests we had more FAI pilots than
Masters. This number dropped in 2010 (“P” and “F” sort of “fudged” together)
and it fell even further in 2011 (“P” & “F”). Concurrently, we have a LOT
of Masters pilots! This creates real problems for the CDs in balancing the
lines, and for the judges, usually FAI and Advanced pilots, who spend way too
much time in the chair. I have heard from many pilots this year that they do
not have the time or the inclination to fly the “F” sequence but they really
enjoy the extra challenge of the “P” sequence. This leads me to a discussion of
some proposed solution for 2012. Please keep in mind that we are just
discussing proposals at this point. </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Option 1</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Don’t do anything. We continue to fly FAI with 4 rounds of P and
two rounds of F. At local contests last year we flew this way and simply
counted the best 4 rounds. That way you do not have to “keep” an F score. At
the district championships you must keep an F score. </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Advantages</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Keeps things the same as last year, we continue to fly the “full”
FAI pattern.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Gives our local pilots who want to fly at the Nats a chance to fly
judged “F” patterns.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Disadvantages</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Many pilots don’t seem to want to fly F and so they stay in
Masters creating a “bulge” that makes the CDs and the contestant judges lives
more difficult.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">We seem to be having a declining # of pilots in FAI.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Option 2</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Go back to the way we did it in 2010 and let some people fly P and
some fly F and do some sort of score “fudge”.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Advantages</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Kind of a middle ground solution. Might get some pilots to leave
Masters and try FAI. </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Disadvantages</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I don’t really care for “fudge’ing” scoring. It just doesn’t seem
right in a competitive sport.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Option 3</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Split FAI into two “divisions” let’s call them “Gold” and “Silver”
these two divisions are competed for and scored separately. Here’s a simple
description.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">FAI “Gold”</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">This class will fly 4 rounds of the “P” sequence and two rounds of
the “F” sequence at each local contest. Their final contest score will consist
of their best 3 out of 4 “P” rounds and their best 1 out of 2 “F” rounds. This
will also be the format used for FAI “Gold” at the district championship
contest. If there is enough interest we could even fly an unknown round at the
season championships.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">FAI “Silver”</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">This class will fly 6 rounds of the “P” sequence at each local
contest. Their final contest score will consist of their best 4 out of 6 “P”
rounds. This will also be the format used for FAI “Silver” at the district
championship contest.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">A pilot may enter either class at any contest. You cannot fly in
both at one contest though! You can change back and forth as many as you want
to during the pattern year.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Advantages:</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Possibly increase the pilots flying FAI and reduce the pilots in
Masters. This will greatly simplify line balancing and judging assignments.
Gold pilots are perfect judges for Silver and vice a versa. Masters pilots can
judge Gold, Silver or Advanced. </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Reduce the length of time spent in the judging chair. Judging 10
Masters pilots is not an easy task and requires you to be in the judging chair
for almost an hour and a half. Not very fun at a local contest!</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Make the CDs job of finding and assigning judges much easier.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Might improve competition within FAI (Gold and Silver) and
Masters.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Disadvantages:</span></font></u><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">The CD needs to provide one more set of trophies. Extra cost is
“bad”!</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Depending on who shows up the CD might have extra trophies that he
will have to “eat”</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Further splits a small pool of competitors. How many pilots will
fly “Gold”, maybe not enough to have a fun competition?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I think the trophy problem can be worked around. By the time we
get to be a Masters or an FAI pilot do we really need to get a trophy at a
local contest? I know I don’t! A simple group photo or a medal or a simple
metal plaque that lists the event and the class would be fine. At my contests
this year I intend to simplify the Masters and FAI trophies regardless of what
we do with FAI. In regards to the other issues I don’t know.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Please bear in mind that I am looking for ideas and proposals. If
you are a Masters or FAI pilot and you don’t think that anything is “broke”
just let me know! If most Masters and FAI pilots think it ain’t broke then we
won’t “fix it”!!! (Option 1) Or if you don’t like any of my proposals but have
another thought in mind just let me know. So to you FAI and Masters pilots and
Cds out there, think about it and please let me hear from you.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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