<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Don,</div><div><br></div><div>Yes the weather is a crap shoot even within rounds. But it Is somewhat close in a round. Could be calm in the am and blowing 20+ after noon. This is part of what is wrong at the nats. Rounds there can be on diiferent days under totally different situations, but count the same. It's pretty unfair IMO for the serious competitors. </div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps we run it like d5? Don't they run a masters a and b class when too many show? And have them somewhat judge each other? Not sure exactly how they do it. I'll have to email mueller and get the details. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm totally fine with making a sacrafice of some type to accomodate the needs of any of the other classes. I will even take an extra class to learn how to judge f. But let's face it, there will be about 5 or 6 guys in d7 who continue to fly fai probably. That's at this point. Once it has been run this
way for a few years I could see it become the norm and fai attendance will probably improve.</div><div><br></div><div>My opinion is we need to better train advanced to judge masters.<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Mar 15, 2010, at 12:21 PM, <a href="mailto:AtwoodDon@aol.com">AtwoodDon@aol.com</a> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Bill and Steve,</div>
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<div>After reading your posts, I think there may be some misunderstanding of the
intent of Jon's proposal. From your email wording, it sounds like you
think the FAI pilots need to decide at the contest what format they want to
use. Jon's proposal asks that if the FAI F schedule will be used during
the contest that the CDs post well in advance via the newsgroup, contest flyer,
etc. Yes, it is still the CD's choice as to the format but as a FAI pilot,
you would not show up then get surprised. If there is no prior
notification, the pilot should be assured F is not offered. It won't be voted on
by the pilots at the beginning of the contest. Any FAI pilot thinking of
attending a contest would know well in advance what sequence format will be
'offered'. The pilot can then decide if and how they want to
participate. </div>
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<div>While this isn't a perfect solution to keep everyone happy, I still believe
it the best interim solution that provides a common, predictable format for
the district. No surprises, etc. It also provides a bridge to a
possible full implementation that could be decided prior to the next contest
year. If we don't go thru this interim solution, when the topic comes up
again next year we will be right where we are today. I did have a chance to
ask Jon about this recently. He indicated he had received off line
comments from some FAI pilots (approximately five) about his proposal
that had not commented online. At that time all comments had been that
they would support the approach. </div>
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<div>Masters - I agree, this could become a BIG problem. Last
year saw a movement of some Masters pilots to the FAI ranks which really helped
at a lot of contests. I haven't seen the contest reports on number of
pilots in Masters for this year, but, it sounds like it was a problem
already. Bill, are you proposing that 2 rounds of Masters are coupled
together with the same Masters judges for each round and the 'round' scores are
tied to the judge panels rather than the physical round? If so, that
sounds workable to me, similar approaches are used at the Nats and at
International contests to provide 'near equal' exposure to judge panels.
Weather is always a crap shoot, even within individual rounds.</div>
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<div>Don</div>
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<div>In a message dated 3/15/2010 6:35:07 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="mailto:shannah1806@gmail.com">shannah1806@gmail.com</a> writes:</div>
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<div>Bill</div>
<div>I support your idea to split the class. I'd rather do two short
stints vs one monster long one. Talk about things that can drive FAI flyers
away, that long sequence and marathon judging sessions is about ready to do it
to me. I think the CD should mandate a shortened sequence any time there are
more than 5 fliers. Plus you should split the line if more than 8 show
up. </div>
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<div>As for FAI F: I don't support the pilots option or CD option. The
current proposal is effectively doing nothing beyond what we have right now.
Either we do it or we don't. If I have the choice to optionally throw away two
rounds then I'll probably opt to not do that and fly P. If I have 4 solid
rounds and my choice is to drive home early or fly F then I might fly F even
though it wouldn't have any bearing on the outcome. </div>
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<div>Pilots already fly F on the P score sheets. I'd hope that we could
introduce an F seuence somehow but the voluntary optional thing doesn't work
for me. I can do that now but the results don't mean anything. So I'll fly P
until further notice.</div>
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<div>Do it or don't do it. </div>
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<div>Steve <br>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>On Mar 15, 2010, at 10:20 AM, "Wallace, Bill" <<a title="mailto:WallaceBill@bfusa.com" href="mailto:WallaceBill@bfusa.com"><a href="mailto:WallaceBill@bfusa.com">WallaceBill@bfusa.com</a></a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tony:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">My
take on this is that we are not going to dictate to the CD’s hoe to run
their contest. John has suggested that if the FAI flyers want to fly
the F sequence, then the CD can run the last 2 rounds as either F or P to be
decided by the pilot. If he decides to fly the F then he will be
scored at the P schedule K factors. In my opinion, this is a fair way
to run it, and is how I am going to run the Hemet contest. If the FAI
pilots don’t like this, then they should speak up now or don’t gripe about
it come contest day. Let’s face it, we are never going to make
everyone happy, but this proposal does the best job of it – again in my
never to be humble opinion. Since Jon proposed this, and I think he
will be running the Dist. Championships, then I think we can assume that
this is how they will be run. Again, if you are a FAI pilot and you
don’t like this suggestion, speak up now. Now Jon – if I am wrong on
this let me know. A more pressing problem, IMO, is the heavily loaded
Masters class we have in Dist. 7. At Yuma – half of the registered
pilots were in Masters (8). If we have a good size contest (ie
Riverside or Hemet) we could have 12 – 15 Masters pilots. This will
create havoc for the CD and the poor FAI and Advanced pilots who have to sit
in the chair for 2 – 2 ½ hours. My thoughts are to split the class if
the number gets over 10 and have the same judges for 2 rounds, but they
would only have to judge ½ the pilots each round. Then we would hold
off normalizing until the end of the 2nd round. I am thinking this
would make the judging a little more tolerable. Looking for comments
and or other suggestions. Thanks. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <a title="mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" href="mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org"><a href="mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a></a>
[mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anthony
Frackowiak<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 14, 2010 5:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> CA,
AZ, HI, NV, UT<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-dist7] A proposal for FAI at
the local level<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Jon,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Somehow this slipped through on my email, so I'm just
responding now.<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With all due respect (whenever I say that I think of
Ricky Bobby!) I don't see why there can't be some sort of approval by the
majority of the F3A fliers. A simple yes/no and posting the results would
suffice. Without that, it looks like just one guys ideas being pressed
forward.<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the entire idea of
this discussion was to come to an agreement amongst all the F3A pilots on
what to do in this district? If you leave it up to the individual CD's, will
the D7 Championships be decided by that CD?<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tony<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Jon Carter
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Tony
– There is no real “official” process per se to vote on this proposal. As I
said, I believe that this is a first “doable” step in a process and unless I
hear some strong objections from some FAI pilots my intention is to forward
my proposal to each CD who is running a D7 contest with my recommendation to
implement it if possible for their contest. Please keep in mind that this
decision is ultimately the CD’s of the individual events.</span><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
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D7 VP</span><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div>
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Frackowiak<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, March 10, 2010 8:08
AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>CA, AZ, HI,
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