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face="Berlin Sans FB" color=#0000ff>Hey Bob. I believe you are correct, there is
NO inverted level flight after the knife edge - but let's say when the plane is
wings level inverted, you push. This may appear to be a very small inverted
segment depending on what you call 'wings level'. I hope all the judges
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face="Berlin Sans FB" color=#0000ff>Scott</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces@lists.nsrca.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Robert
Gillespie<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 01, 2008 4:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B> CA, AZ,
HI, NV, UT<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Clarification on FAI maneuver
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<DIV>Scott,</DIV>
<DIV>the FAI rule book is very clear on how the maneuver is to be done. </DIV>
<DIV>"From upright, perorm 2 points of a 4-pt roll, and push immediately to a
half outside loop. Perform a full roll, followed immediately by a half outside
loop, to exit inverted."</DIV>
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<DIV>The outside loops must follow immediately after the 2/4 pt roll and
roll.</DIV>
<DIV>the lenght of the upper horizontal line (including roll) is equal tothe
diameter of the half loops. </DIV>
<DIV>The geometric shape is that of of a Double Immelmann.</DIV>
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<DIV>As a judge I will downgrade if the is any noticable level flight
after after the 2nd point of the 2/4 and after the full roll on top. In other
words when the plane stops rotating push.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Scott <scottcov@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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class=751352819-01052008>Don: </SPAN><FONT id=role_document face=Arial>I agree
with your approach with the inverted portion of the 2 of 4 being equal to the
knife edge. If the inverted section was not equal, then it is not really
a 2 of 4. </DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=751352819-01052008> sc - Several I have spoken with
think there is NO inverted flight, you do the KE then push immediately. It's
kind of like where the center of a 4 point is, by definition, it's the
inverted portion of the maneuver, but in reality, it's not, it's at the
transition of inverted to KE - When I spoke to the judging committee, they
told me it's N-1 for the center - so a 4 point is defined as 4-1=3 and the 3rd
point is the end of KE, so the center is at inverted flight if you define it
this way. This is also defined by a 'roll' - we all agree the center of a roll
is inverted flight, and per the judging committee, a 4-point ROLL is a roll,
and the center can't be different because it's a roll. If we use this as the
criteria, 2 of 4, is a 2 point roll, 2-1 = 1 so the center is the middle of
point 1, which is KE, so there is no inverted flight after the KE, it's KE
then push. I just want to know what others think. It's silly to lose points if
we don't all agree on how it should be done.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>My understanding is that the geometrically, the maneuver is a square with
half loops on either end.</DIV>
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<DIV>Since I don't judge FAI, let's hear from those that do. What are
you looking for and why?<SPAN class=751352819-01052008> </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=751352819-01052008>sc- I just want to know how to fly this
per those the Judge this. I don't care which way we define it, but I do not
want to have points deducted because the Judge wants to see and equal
line segment when inverted, and another judge does not want to see any
inverted flight.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=751352819-01052008>sc </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Don</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 5/1/2008 9:55:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
scottcov@comcast.net writes:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>Hey all you judges out there - and those that
know.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>I just want to verify that on the double M, the first
FAI maneuver, after the 2 of 4, there is NO LINE PRESENT when inverted (this
is the 2nd point of the 2 of 4) - so basically you fly knife edge, roll to
inverted and push immediately. Is this correct? Is this how it will be
judged? Also, it's to be presented as a square with rounded ends -
correct?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>Personally, I like to fly it with the same length
knife edge and the same length inverted, basically showing the 2 of 4, then
push to the 1/2 outside loop - but I do not think this is how it's described
or being judged - so I'd just like to know what the judges are looking
for.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
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