From shannah1806 at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 11:24:01 2021 From: shannah1806 at gmail.com (steve hannah) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 19:24:01 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] OCMA Contest Postponed Message-ID: Hi everyone, Looks like we will have to postpone the OCMA contest until a later date. We still do not have county approval to hold the event on May 1 event and it will not be able to move forward as we had hoped. It looks like we are getting closer to being allowed to have an event at the field, but not quite yet. I'll keep everyone posted as to a potential re-schedule date. Thanks Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shannah1806 at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 08:54:23 2021 From: shannah1806 at gmail.com (steve hannah) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:54:23 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Jim Woodward Message-ID: Hello everyone, I think, by now, everyone on this list has probably heard of Jim Woodward's passing. If you are like me, you are still in a state of disbelief. His cousin, John Ingle, contacted me and asked for folks to send along any pictures they might have of Jim and of him flying or with friends at contests. He is considering putting up a tribute page for Jim as well. But in the meantime, send along notes and pictures to John so he can share them with the family. Likewise, if you know of other friends that may have not heard yet or may have additional pics from his IMAC days then please share this information with them. Here is John's email address: jedijingle at gmail.com Thanks so much Steve Hannah - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vincebrc at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 09:59:17 2021 From: vincebrc at gmail.com (Vicente Bortone) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:59:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] [NSRCA-discussion] Jim Woodward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, I would like to pass the last communications I had with Jim with some history too. I met Jim at the Nats. I just checked Don Ransey's web page http://donramseypattern.com/ because I cannot remember all the details. We met the first time at the Nats in 2001. We were flying Advanced together. I remember that we spoke in Spanish a lot because he just wanted to help me. We communicated mainly by email after that. His spanish was excellent as he was on anything related with our hobby. After that we flew the same plane (Abbra) and we shared a lot of information about trimming and adjusting the plane. I saw Jim back in the Nats in 2003. He flew Masters and I was flying Advance at the 2003 Nats. Based on Nats information we flew at the Nats the last time in 2006. I was flying Masters and Jim was flying FAI-F3a. Then this year I have the chance to go to a contest in Arizona. As soon I registered in the contest Jim sent me the following messager: Vicente - we are off to a good start. See you next week !! I responded: Yes, I am in Albuquerque. Final drive to Mesa tomorrow. Looking forward to seeing you. When I saw him he was so happy and gave me a big hug. Same we finish the contest the next day. It was a pleasure to share some of my life with Jim. He was a great person. Vicente "Vince" Bortone On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:54 AM steve hannah via NSRCA-discussion < nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I think, by now, everyone on this list has probably heard of Jim > Woodward's passing. If you are like me, you are still in a state of > disbelief. His cousin, John Ingle, contacted me and asked for folks to > send along any pictures they might have of Jim and of him flying or with > friends at contests. He is considering putting up a tribute page for Jim > as well. But in the meantime, send along notes and pictures to John so he > can share them with the family. Likewise, if you know of other friends > that may have not heard yet or may have additional pics from his IMAC days > then please share this information with them. > > Here is John's email address: jedijingle at gmail.com > > Thanks so much > Steve Hannah > > - > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The other image is for details on hotel booking and special rates for those of you travelling to the service. Steve -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.bentley at usa.net Fri Apr 23 20:20:06 2021 From: j.bentley at usa.net (John Bentley) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 04:20:06 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Jim Woodward Message-ID: <161ZDXes72784Set.1619237998@web01.cms.usa.net> Thank you Steve. John ------ Original Message ------ Received: 03:34 PM MST, 04/23/2021 From: steve?hannah?via?NSRCA-dist7? To: General?pattern?discussion?,??"CA,?AZ,?HI,?NV,?UT"? Subject: [NSRCA-dist7]?Jim?Woodward Hello Everyone, Jim's cousin, John Ingle, sent a couple images along outlining the timing and location of Jim's memorial service in Florida. His service will be Friday May 14th, 2021 at 9am. South Florida National Cemetery. 6501 State Road 7, Lake Worth FL 33449 In the attached images, one image is the memorial service announcement that John created. The other image is for details on hotel booking and special rates for those of you travelling to the service. Steve > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment:?Jim Woodward Memorial Service.jpg > MIME Type:?image/jpeg > --------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------- > Attachment:?20210423_131603.jpg > MIME Type:?image/jpeg > --------------------------------------------- From shannah1806 at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 16:54:47 2021 From: shannah1806 at gmail.com (Steve Hannah) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 00:54:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Jim Woodward In-Reply-To: <161ZDXes72784Set.1619237998@web01.cms.usa.net> References: <161ZDXes72784Set.1619237998@web01.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: <8C5A5C6E-3F77-4D78-B0C3-5E45275783BD@gmail.com> Hi everyone, Here?s a message from one of Jim?s cousin John. They have set up a gofundme link to benefit his kids. Here?s the message ????????- A gentleman by the name of Joseph Lex who was in Jimmy's fraternity started a GoFundMe page which contributes money to a trust for his two kids. Here's the link please spread the word. Copy and paste below. Hello I just donated to Jim Woodward's GoFundMe, https://gofund.me/5d6b3080. Would you be interested in supporting it too? Even a small donation could help Joseph Lex (fraternity brother of Jim's) reach their fundraising goal. And if you can't make a donation, it would be great if you could share the fundraiser to help spread the word. If the goal is Met please continue to contribute the money is for his children's college trust fund. Thanks for taking a look! > On Apr 23, 2021, at 21:20, John Bentley wrote: > > ? > Thank you Steve. > John > ------ Original Message ------ > Received: 03:34 PM MST, 04/23/2021 > From: steve hannah via NSRCA-dist7 > To: > General pattern discussion , "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" > > Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Jim Woodward > > Hello Everyone, > Jim's cousin, John Ingle, sent a couple images along outlining the timing > and location of Jim's memorial service in Florida. His service will be > Friday May 14th, 2021 at 9am. South Florida National Cemetery. 6501 State > Road 7, Lake Worth FL 33449 > > In the attached images, one image is the memorial service announcement that > John created. The other image is for details on hotel booking and special > rates for those of you travelling to the service. > > Steve > > >> --------------------------------------------- >> Attachment: Jim Woodward Memorial Service.jpg >> MIME Type: image/jpeg >> --------------------------------------------- >> --------------------------------------------- >> Attachment: 20210423_131603.jpg >> MIME Type: image/jpeg >> --------------------------------------------- > From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 06:30:32 2021 From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:30:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals Message-ID: <47DCFC82-B94C-4648-9AB7-65C0726740D4@gmail.com> Good morning everyone, There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for approval that deals with 12s packs.? We are looking to have a vote soon on whether to approve or not approve this proposal.? You can find the proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this proposal or not. Pros: Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper Less weight (in theory) Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) More efficient power consumption Cons: Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s Doesn?t align with FAI Market may not support a lot of motor options Best, -Derek -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill.wallace5547 at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 07:52:00 2021 From: bill.wallace5547 at gmail.com (Bill Wallace) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:52:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals In-Reply-To: <47DCFC82-B94C-4648-9AB7-65C0726740D4@gmail.com> References: <47DCFC82-B94C-4648-9AB7-65C0726740D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5CA3B0F1-9544-4BF8-BD22-5A1CB390C483@gmail.com> I would say go for it. The pro?s make sense, and the con?s only apply if the rule makes changing mandatory - which it doesn?t. So if you don?t want to switch, you don?t have to. But if you want to try it, it would be nice to have the opportunity. Bill Wallace Cell: 951-385-2605 Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:30 AM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 wrote: > > ? > Good morning everyone, > > There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for approval that deals with 12s packs. We are looking to have a vote soon on whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. > > Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this proposal or not. > > Pros: > Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper > Less weight (in theory) > Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) > More efficient power consumption > > Cons: > Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s > Doesn?t align with FAI > Market may not support a lot of motor options > > Best, > -Derek > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-dist7 mailing list > NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 08:02:21 2021 From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:02:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals In-Reply-To: <5CA3B0F1-9544-4BF8-BD22-5A1CB390C483@gmail.com> References: <5CA3B0F1-9544-4BF8-BD22-5A1CB390C483@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C08D48D-5A5F-4192-910A-A128988F8104@gmail.com> Thanks Bill. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Bill Wallace wrote: > > ?I would say go for it. The pro?s make sense, and the con?s only apply if the rule makes changing mandatory - which it doesn?t. So if you don?t want to switch, you don?t have to. But if you want to try it, it would be nice to have the opportunity. > > Bill Wallace > Cell: 951-385-2605 > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:30 AM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Good morning everyone, >> >> There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for approval that deals with 12s packs. We are looking to have a vote soon on whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. >> >> Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this proposal or not. >> >> Pros: >> Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper >> Less weight (in theory) >> Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) >> More efficient power consumption >> >> Cons: >> Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s >> Doesn?t align with FAI >> Market may not support a lot of motor options >> >> Best, >> -Derek >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list >> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akmotov at pacbell.net Fri Apr 30 08:48:27 2021 From: akmotov at pacbell.net (Robert E Fish) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:48:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals In-Reply-To: <47DCFC82-B94C-4648-9AB7-65C0726740D4@gmail.com> References: <47DCFC82-B94C-4648-9AB7-65C0726740D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <296150210.3066181.1619801302339@mail.yahoo.com> Derek, I agree 100% with the proposal. It is time for pattern to catch up with the rest of the world. Far more pros than cons IMO. Best regards,Robert Fish On Friday, April 30, 2021, 7:30:39 AM PDT, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 wrote: Good morning everyone, ? There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for approval that deals with 12s packs.? We are looking to have a vote soon on whether to approve or not approve this proposal.? You can find the proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. ? Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this proposal or not. ? Pros: Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper Less weight (in theory) Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) More efficient power consumption ? Cons: Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s Doesn?t align with FAI Market may not support a lot of motor options ? Best, -Derek _______________________________________________ NSRCA-dist7 mailing list NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 09:11:29 2021 From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:11:29 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals In-Reply-To: <296150210.3066181.1619801302339@mail.yahoo.com> References: <296150210.3066181.1619801302339@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A778ECE-836F-44B5-A36C-54E85FBC3C4A@gmail.com> Thanks for the feedback, Robert. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2021, at 9:48 AM, Robert E Fish wrote: > > ? > Derek, > > I agree 100% with the proposal. It is time for pattern to catch up with the rest of the world. Far more pros than cons IMO. > > Best regards, > Robert Fish > > On Friday, April 30, 2021, 7:30:39 AM PDT, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 wrote: > > > Good morning everyone, > > > > There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for approval that deals with 12s packs. We are looking to have a vote soon on whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. > > > > Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this proposal or not. > > > > Pros: > > Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper > > Less weight (in theory) > > Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) > > More efficient power consumption > > > > Cons: > > Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s > > Doesn?t align with FAI > > Market may not support a lot of motor options > > > > Best, > > -Derek > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-dist7 mailing list > NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen.dean1122 at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 10:23:02 2021 From: glen.dean1122 at gmail.com (Glen Dean) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:23:02 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals In-Reply-To: <47DCFC82-B94C-4648-9AB7-65C0726740D4@gmail.com> References: <47DCFC82-B94C-4648-9AB7-65C0726740D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: My concern is that historically more available power has lead to larger aircraft designs, increase in complexity, cost and subsequently reduced participation in pattern. This proposal is damaging to the lower classes and seems counter to increased participation. The power aircraft size issue will always be present and consideration of the long-term implications must be weighed. On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 7:30 AM Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 < nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote: > Good morning everyone, > > > > There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for > approval that deals with 12s packs. We are looking to have a vote soon on > whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the proposal > here on the AMA website - *RCA22-02 > .* > > > > Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this > proposal or not. > > > > Pros: > > Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper > > Less weight (in theory) > > Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) > > More efficient power consumption > > > > Cons: > > Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s > > Doesn?t align with FAI > > Market may not support a lot of motor options > > > > Best, > > -Derek > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-dist7 mailing list > NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are looking to have a vote soon on whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. >> >> >> >> Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this proposal or not. >> >> >> >> Pros: >> >> Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper >> >> Less weight (in theory) >> >> Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) >> >> More efficient power consumption >> >> >> >> Cons: >> >> Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s >> >> Doesn?t align with FAI >> >> Market may not support a lot of motor options >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> -Derek >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list >> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jon at techstyles.com Fri Apr 30 11:03:28 2021 From: jon at techstyles.com (Jon Bruml) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:03:28 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals In-Reply-To: References: <47DCFC82-B94C-4648-9AB7-65C0726740D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well Is it the same scenario as some pilots flying with a 60 long stroke against some pilots flying with a 4 stroke 120? Jonathan Bruml Techstyles www.techstyles.com From: NSRCA-dist7 On Behalf Of Glen Dean via NSRCA-dist7 Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 11:23 AM To: Derek Koopowitz ; CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals My concern is that historically more available power has lead to larger aircraft designs, increase in complexity, cost and subsequently reduced participation in pattern. This proposal is damaging to the lower classes and seems counter to increased participation. The power aircraft size issue will always be present and consideration of the long-term implications must be weighed. On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 7:30 AM Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 > wrote: Good morning everyone, There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for approval that deals with 12s packs. We are looking to have a vote soon on whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this proposal or not. Pros: Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper Less weight (in theory) Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) More efficient power consumption Cons: Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s Doesn?t align with FAI Market may not support a lot of motor options Best, -Derek _______________________________________________ NSRCA-dist7 mailing list NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flyfamily at yahoo.com Fri Apr 30 11:38:12 2021 From: flyfamily at yahoo.com (Shawn Bekheimer) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:38:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While usually I am all for forward development, I can?t agree with the reasoning behind the change. I have participated in many forms of R/C competition and every time a power increase was suggested as an increase in reliability 99% of the participants elected to maintain the same reliability and make use of the additional power. This certainly has that potential. Could this lead to flying sequences even larger then we do now? Would that not be counterproductive to staying off the FAA?s radar? Food for thought? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 wrote: > > ?Thanks for the comments, Glen. > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Glen Dean wrote: >>> >> ? >> My concern is that historically more available power has lead to larger aircraft designs, increase in complexity, cost and subsequently reduced participation in pattern. This proposal is damaging to the lower classes and seems counter to increased participation. The power aircraft size issue will always be present and consideration of the long-term implications must be weighed. >> >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 7:30 AM Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 wrote: >>> Good morning everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for approval that deals with 12s packs. We are looking to have a vote soon on whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this proposal or not. >>> >>> >>> >>> Pros: >>> >>> Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper >>> >>> Less weight (in theory) >>> >>> Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) >>> >>> More efficient power consumption >>> >>> >>> >>> Cons: >>> >>> Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s >>> >>> Doesn?t align with FAI >>> >>> Market may not support a lot of motor options >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> -Derek >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list >>> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-dist7 mailing list > NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 12:31:24 2021 From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 20:31:24 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8432EA26-23FB-4B59-838D-D3CB4C5BEDE7@gmail.com> Thanks for the comments, Shawn. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Shawn Bekheimer wrote: > > ?While usually I am all for forward development, I can?t agree with the reasoning behind the change. I have participated in many forms of R/C competition and every time a power increase was suggested as an increase in reliability 99% of the participants elected to maintain the same reliability and make use of the additional power. This certainly has that potential. Could this lead to flying sequences even larger then we do now? Would that not be counterproductive to staying off the FAA?s radar? Food for thought? > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 wrote: >>> >> ?Thanks for the comments, Glen. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Glen Dean wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> My concern is that historically more available power has lead to larger aircraft designs, increase in complexity, cost and subsequently reduced participation in pattern. This proposal is damaging to the lower classes and seems counter to increased participation. The power aircraft size issue will always be present and consideration of the long-term implications must be weighed. >>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021, 7:30 AM Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 wrote: >>>> Good morning everyone, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for approval that deals with 12s packs. We are looking to have a vote soon on whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this proposal or not. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pros: >>>> >>>> Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper >>>> >>>> Less weight (in theory) >>>> >>>> Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) >>>> >>>> More efficient power consumption >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cons: >>>> >>>> Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s >>>> >>>> Doesn?t align with FAI >>>> >>>> Market may not support a lot of motor options >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> -Derek >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list >>>> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list >> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: 12s Packs Rules Proposals (Bill Wallace) > 3. Re: 12s Packs Rules Proposals (Derek Koopowitz) > 4. Re: 12s Packs Rules Proposals (Robert E Fish) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:30:28 -0700 > From: Derek Koopowitz > To: > Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals > Message-ID: <47DCFC82-B94C-4648-9AB7-65C0726740D4 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Good morning everyone, > > > > There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for > approval that deals with 12s packs.? We are looking to have a vote soon on > whether to approve or not approve this proposal.? You can find the proposal > here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. > > > > Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this > proposal or not. > > > > Pros: > > Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper > > Less weight (in theory) > > Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) > > More efficient power consumption > > > > Cons: > > Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s > > Doesn?t align with FAI > > Market may not support a lot of motor options > > > > Best, > > -Derek > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-dist7/attachments/20210430/d0918795/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:51:55 -0700 > From: Bill Wallace > To: Derek Koopowitz , "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals > Message-ID: <5CA3B0F1-9544-4BF8-BD22-5A1CB390C483 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I would say go for it. The pro?s make sense, and the con?s only apply if > the rule makes changing mandatory - which it doesn?t. So if you don?t want > to switch, you don?t have to. But if you want to try it, it would be nice > to have the opportunity. > > Bill Wallace > Cell: 951-385-2605 > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:30 AM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 < > nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote: > > > > ? > > Good morning everyone, > > > > There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board > for approval that deals with 12s packs. We are looking to have a vote soon > on whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the > proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. > > > > Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this > proposal or not. > > > > Pros: > > Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper > > Less weight (in theory) > > Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) > > More efficient power consumption > > > > Cons: > > Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s > > Doesn?t align with FAI > > Market may not support a lot of motor options > > > > Best, > > -Derek > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-dist7 mailing list > > NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-dist7/attachments/20210430/85f7ad29/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:02:18 -0700 > From: Derek Koopowitz > To: Bill Wallace > Cc: "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals > Message-ID: <5C08D48D-5A5F-4192-910A-A128988F8104 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks Bill. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:51 AM, Bill Wallace > wrote: > > > > ?I would say go for it. The pro?s make sense, and the con?s only apply > if the rule makes changing mandatory - which it doesn?t. So if you don?t > want to switch, you don?t have to. But if you want to try it, it would be > nice to have the opportunity. > > > > Bill Wallace > > Cell: 951-385-2605 > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 7:30 AM, Derek Koopowitz via NSRCA-dist7 < > nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote: > >>> > >> ? > >> Good morning everyone, > >> > >> There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board > for approval that deals with 12s packs. We are looking to have a vote soon > on whether to approve or not approve this proposal. You can find the > proposal here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. > >> > >> Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this > proposal or not. > >> > >> Pros: > >> Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper > >> Less weight (in theory) > >> Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) > >> More efficient power consumption > >> > >> Cons: > >> Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s > >> Doesn?t align with FAI > >> Market may not support a lot of motor options > >> > >> Best, > >> -Derek > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list > >> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-dist7/attachments/20210430/d35a024b/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:48:22 +0000 (UTC) > From: Robert E Fish > To: "nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org" , > Derek Koopowitz > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] 12s Packs Rules Proposals > Message-ID: <296150210.3066181.1619801302339 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Derek, > I agree 100% with the proposal. It is time for pattern to catch up with > the rest of the world. Far more pros than cons IMO. > Best regards,Robert Fish > > On Friday, April 30, 2021, 7:30:39 AM PDT, Derek Koopowitz via > NSRCA-dist7 wrote: > > > Good morning everyone, > > ? > > There is a rules proposal that has been submitted to the contest board for > approval that deals with 12s packs.? We are looking to have a vote soon on > whether to approve or not approve this proposal.? You can find the proposal > here on the AMA website - RCA22-02. > > ? > > Please send me your thoughts on whether you think we should adopt this > proposal or not. > > ? > > Pros: > > Higher voltage packs with less mah are cheaper > > Less weight (in theory) > > Cooler motors and batteries (may last longer) > > More efficient power consumption > > ? > > Cons: > > Expensive to convert existing equipment to 12s > > Doesn?t align with FAI > > Market may not support a lot of motor options > > ? > > Best, > > -Derek > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-dist7 mailing list > NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.nsrca.org/pipermail/nsrca-dist7/attachments/20210430/6605d4e2/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-dist7 mailing list > NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7 > > > ------------------------------ > > End of NSRCA-dist7 Digest, Vol 130, Issue 7 > ******************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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