[NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
Peter Vogel
vogel.peter at gmail.com
Wed May 4 07:20:29 AKDT 2016
+1, well said Steve!
On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Steven Lampert via NSRCA-dist7 <
nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> Dear John,
>
> I'll bet I speak for many on this list who hope that you will reconsider
> your decision to resign and help guide us through this difficult and
> politically divisive period.
>
> I have only known you to act with the utmost in intelligence, restraint,
> and personal integrity. I for one, never took your proposal that started
> this mess as an edict or pronouncement. I took it as an invitation to
> discuss and debate options with the goal of finding a solution that could
> accommodate diverse points of view.
>
> In any case, regardless of what you decide to do, I will always be proud
> to call you a friend.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NSRCA-dist7 [mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 11:17 PM
> To: Frackowiak Tony; CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>
> You all will be in control..... Good luck .... no one addressed any of the
> most important issues of fairness and equality this was just a slam fest.
> ...
> As much as I would like to serve as the D7 district Vice President , in
> good conscience I can not continue with this position. The legal
> ramifications are outside of my personal comfort zone. Therefore I resign
> as the D7 District Vice President.
> John Bentley
> ps Tony now you can possibly gain control as you wish...
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Tue, 03 May 2016 11:04:41 PM MST
> From: Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: JAMIE SCHOOLCRAFT <jamieschoolcraft at icloud.com>Cc:
> "kfactoreditor at gmail.com" <kfactoreditor at gmail.com>, "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT"
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
>
> Yep, you're right!
>
> On May 3, 2016, at 10:01 PM, JAMIE SCHOOLCRAFT wrote:
>
> > Hot damn Robert just nailed exactly what I've been trying to say all
> along.
> No further comments from me as this is my exact stance as well!
> >
> > Take Care,
> > Jamie
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On May 3, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Robert E Fish via NSRCA-dist7
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I believe that in today's world there is not enough personal
> >> accountability
> and emphasis on the value of good citizenship. To make this comment
> neutral, I am going to put on the stinky shoes and play the role in this
> hypothetical scenario.
> >>
> >> Let's say that I am barred from the Antelope Valley Tailwinds (where
> >> I am a
> member) for an unspecified egregious behavior(s). I acknowledge this
> behavior and accept responsibility for my actions, and the consequences
> therein.
> >>
> >> The tailwinds hold two contests per year, and they are also the
> >> closest to
> my home. I cannot go to these contests. Since I am accountable for my
> behavior, I accept the consequences, among them is the extra burden that I
> brought upon myself in having to travel further and incur greater costs to
> participate in a district championship program for my hobby. This extra
> burden would be to participate in other events to take up the slack of the
> two Tailwinds events that I am not allowed to participate in due to my
> inappropriate behavior(s). Flying in model airplane contests is not a right
> or entitlement, but rather a privilege. If I could not afford the extra
> expense to travel to the additional contests, this would be entirely my
> fault, and I would have to live with that fact. It is entirely on me.
> >>
> >> It would be a great incentive for me to repent in my behavior, and
> >> work
> diligently to regain my good standing with the tailwinds, firstly to
> repair my personal reputation, then subordinately to regain the privilege
> of flying at the Tailwinds facility again, even if it was on a time to time
> basis for competitive events, and maybe in the future to regain the
> potential for re-acceptance of membership privileges.
> >>
> >> Robert Fish
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> To: Frackowiak Tony <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>; "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT"
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2016 9:26 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is your comment Tony... Chip lives in the same area and has a
> >> limited
> income right? Now he would have to travel further to get his required in..
> >>
> >> So, with the retaining of the requirement for 4 contests for the
> >> Champs,
> and the elimination of points from the upcoming BMF contest, which was
> just to try to help out after your contest was cancelled, plus no points
> for all BMF contests in the future, it will now be even harder for people
> of more limited means to compete for the District Champs. How does that
> make it a "level playing field" for them?
> >>
> >> I guess it's no problem when you have the means to go to all the
> >> events you
> want, along with the Nats each year. Not only financially but when you can
> always travel in a group sharing the load. Not often the case when you're
> just getting in to pattern. I'm also lucky to have good friends that help
> me attend contests. Otherwise I could only go to contests that I run or I
> can return home easily to stay the night.
> >>
> >> And people wonder why the entrant counts at our contests continue to
> dwindle. Or why there are 19 Masters in a 35 entrant contest.
> >>
> >> Still waiting for my return call, Jon.
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> > On May 3, 2016, at 8:35 PM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7
> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Thank you Don. I agree completely with your points about being in
> >> > good
> standing.
> >> >
> >> > Tony Frackowiak
> >> >
> >> >> On May 3, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Donald Fox via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I understand John’s stand but excluding points for district
> >> >> championship from any club is not the answer. I think John needs
> >> >> to sit down, take time and rethink his stance. I also think we are
> >> >> missing a valid point as to what a pilot in good standing is. Its
> >> >> not just being in good standing with the NSRCA and AMA but also to
> >> >> be in good standing with the club he or she is competing at. If
> >> >> you lack any of these three points, you are NOT a pilot in good
> >> >> standing. After all, we are thankful for the clubs that allow us
> >> >> to hold pattern contest at there facilities. There are more
> >> >> contest in D7 than in most other districts that a pilot in lesser
> >> >> standing can make up the difference (If expense and health
> >> >> allows). 4 contest, 3 contest, out for district or not, extra
> >> >> points for number of contestants, I don’t care. Its all good for
> >> >> me. I stand with Jamie on these issues. This discussion is getting
> >> >> almost as bad as the presidential race. Wake me when the bull shit
> >> >> and flies have left the field and these issues have been resolved.
> >> >> Maybe I’ll be back too. Till then, I’ll hang on to
> my
> >> >> fly swatter.
> >> >>
> >> >> Donald!
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 5/2/16, John Gayer via NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>> As an annual participant in District 7 contests but not a
> >> >>> district 7 resident, I offer the following suggestion.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 1. It seems clear that any club has the right to ban an
> >> >>> individual
> from
> >> >>> setting foot on the club premises. That does assume that the club
> >> >>> has the right to banish anyone. There are cases of clubs on
> >> >>> publicly owned land where that is not true.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2. It is also clear that the NSRCA has the duty to set up a fair
> >> >>> and equitable means of determining district championships as best
> >> >>> they can for their membership. The National has delegated this
> >> >>> responsibility
> to
> >> >>> the DVPs.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I suggest the DVP change the point accumulation rules to include
> >> >>> the
> >> >>> following:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 1) All AMA sanctioned club results will be included in the
> >> >>> points calculations
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2) If a member in good standing with the AMA and the NSRCA is
> >> >>> banned from attending a qualified contest the following applies.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If the banned member in good standing cannot attend a replacement
> >> >>> contest due to scheduling or financial hardship in order to meet
> >> >>> the maximum allowable contest results under the rules, then his
> >> >>> points for that missing contest will be the average of the
> >> >>> contests he did
> attend.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I don't see John's position as an attempt to "punish" a club. I'd
> >> >>> be willing to bet most of the attendees attend more contests than
> >> >>> the limit. Certainly the many out of district contestants don't
> >> >>> care about the status of the district points. Hold a great
> >> >>> contest and they will all come (and they have).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm sure the AMA would just look at the fact that the NSRCA did
> nothing
> >> >>> to prevent a contest being held or to invalidate the results
> >> >>> obtained and say "What's the problem?"
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John Gayer
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On 5/2/2016 9:26 PM, Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
> >> >>>> NSRCA district points can not be issued by a flying field club..
> >> >>>> Only by an NSRCA event where all can fly..
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> C
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On May 2, 2016, at 7:55 PM, JAMIE SCHOOLCRAFT via NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>>> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> WELL SAID STEVE!!!!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Take Care,
> >> >>>>> Jamie
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Steven Lampert via NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>>>> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> My problem with John’s position is that if a club, in
> >> >>>>>> accordance with its bylaws, acts to expel or ban an
> >> >>>>>> individual, then the
> NRCA’s
> >> >>>>>> decision to invalidate the points from an event hosted by that
> >> >>>>>> club effectively penalizes the club for taking action against
> >> >>>>>> such an individual. The club is thus left with the
> >> >>>>>> unpalatable options of either tolerating the presence of this
> >> >>>>>> individual, or having their contest effectively marginalized
> >> >>>>>> and transformed into a glorified fun fly.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I really don’t question the authority of the NSRCA to exclude
> >> >>>>>> such
> a
> >> >>>>>> club from hosting an event that is conducted under the
> >> >>>>>> auspices of the NSRCA. However , within the context of a club
> >> >>>>>> sponsored event, I think the NSRCA may be exceeding the
> >> >>>>>> legitimate bounds of its authority by effectively punishing a
> club in this manner.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> What I can’t seem to determine is what is the legitimate scope
> and
> >> >>>>>> source of the NSRCA’s authority in this regard…
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> *From:*NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>>>>> [mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of
> >> >>>>>> *Peter Vogel via NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 02, 2016 2:11 PM
> >> >>>>>> *To:* Chris Fitzsimmons; CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
> >> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> +1. Well said Chris!
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Chris Fitzsimmons via
> >> >>>>>> NSRCA-dist7 <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> No one is really missing out on any points or contest. Let's
> >> >>>>>> not forget the BMF contest was not even a contest till like a
> week ago.
> >> >>>>>> The guys up north are actually the main people missing out on
> >> >>>>>> a contest. Hence why the Fresno came in to replace it. And then
> BMF..
> >> >>>>>> Great to have two step up.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> The issue is the club isn't in charge of district points, they
> >> >>>>>> are (as Robert has pointed out) in charge of their affairs.
> >> >>>>>> And that's correct.. To me and most others it seems, NSRCA
> >> >>>>>> points are not BMFs affair. That belongs to the NSRCA. The
> >> >>>>>> NSRCA is an organization right? If we don't pay them we can't
> get district points right?
> >> >>>>>> Where is that confusing anyone?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I fully understand BMF and their decision. I could care less
> >> >>>>>> who they ban... It's about district points and why it is or
> isn't fair.
> >> >>>>>> It's not rocket science and perhaps you should put the shoe on
> >> >>>>>> the other foot also. I tried it on.. I returned it to the
> >> >>>>>> rightful
> owner
> >> >>>>>> after thinking about it carefully from the other side.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> (Drops microphone) I'm out ✌️
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Just kidding. Lighten up ffs.. This is a hobby...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Chris
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Frackowiak Tony via NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>>>>> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> So, with the retaining of the requirement for 4 contests for
> >> >>>>>> the Champs, and the elimination of points from the upcoming
> >> >>>>>> BMF contest, which was just to try to help out after your
> >> >>>>>> contest was cancelled, plus no points for all BMF contests in
> >> >>>>>> the future, it will now be even harder for people of more
> >> >>>>>> limited means to compete for the District Champs. How does
> >> >>>>>> that make it a "level playing field" for them?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I guess it's no problem when you have the means to go to all
> >> >>>>>> the events you want, along with the Nats each year. Not only
> >> >>>>>> financially but when you can always travel in a group sharing
> >> >>>>>> the load. Not often the case when you're just getting in to
> >> >>>>>> pattern. I'm also lucky to have good friends that help me
> >> >>>>>> attend contests. Otherwise I could only go to contests that I
> >> >>>>>> run or I can return home easily to stay the night.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> And people wonder why the entrant counts at our contests
> >> >>>>>> continue to dwindle. Or why there are 19 Masters in a 35
> >> >>>>>> entrant contest.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Still waiting for my return call, Jon.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Tony
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 8:24 AM, joncarter60 via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I also am in agreement with Dale's points. It is simply about
> >> >>>>>> having a "level playing field" for the district championship.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Jon Carter
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S® 6 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE
> >> >>>>>> smartphone
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> -------- Original message --------
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> From: Budd Engineering via NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>>>>> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Date: 5/2/2016 8:15 AM (GMT-08:00)
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> To: Olstinske Dale <sanjosedale at gmail.com
> >> >>>>>> <mailto:sanjosedale at gmail.com>>, "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT"
> >> >>>>>> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> +1
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Olstinske Dale via NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>>>>> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> I love the BMF contests, one of the highlights of the year. I
> >> >>>>>> would always attend in any event, but I support John’s
> >> >>>>>> decision about district championship points. I really doubt
> >> >>>>>> the attendance would be hurt in anyway, just my opinion.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Dale
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On May 1, 2016, at 4:20 PM, John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>>>>> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> This is NOT an attack on the Bear Mountain Club/Tony/Leon,
> >> >>>>>> (read my original
> >> >>>>>>>> post) It is a statement of policy, in that every and ALL
> >> >>>>>> members of the
> >> >>>>>>>> NSRCA and AMA should be able to compete in the district
> >> >>>>>> championships. Did
> >> >>>>>>>> anyone actually read my proposal???? . There should for
> >> >>>>>> pilots with the
> >> >>>>>>>> exception of legal actions due to NSRCA or AMA never be an
> >> >>>>>> exclusion to this
> >> >>>>>>>> policy.
> >> >>>>>>>> I have never said that anyone could not have a contest,
> >> >>>>>> however for that
> >> >>>>>>>> contest to be valid there can be no exclusions of pilots
> >> >>>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>> are in good
> >> >>>>>>>> standing with AMA and NSRCA There will be NO more personal
> >> >>>>>> attacks nor more
> >> >>>>>>>> personal vendettas. This is only about out district policy
> >> >>>>>> and nothing else.
> >> >>>>>>>> John Bentley
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> 30 Apr 2016 04:58:39 PM MST
> >> >>>>>>>> From: John Bentley via NSRCA-dist7
> >> >>>>>> <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >> >>>>>>>> To: <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> >> >>>>>> <mailto:nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Championship Points and Methods
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> All NSRCA D7 Members. It has come to my attention that
> >> >>>>>> members in good
> >> >>>>>>>> standing with AMA and NSRCA are unable to fly at a contest
> >> >>>>>> site. Because of
> >> >>>>>>>> this, from this point no district championship points will
> >> >>>>>> be assigned at
> >> >>>>>>>> any
> >> >>>>>>>> contest that excludes a member that is in good standing with
> >> >>>>>> AMA and NSRCA.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Now on the discussion about the Championship. The overall
> >> >>>>>> consensus is that
> >> >>>>>>>> there should be a single Championship and that Championship
> >> >>>>>> should move to
> >> >>>>>>>> different sites within D7. In all fairness since 4 contests
> >> >>>>>> have been flown
> >> >>>>>>>> there will be no change in how points are determined for the
> >> >>>>>> 2016 contest
> >> >>>>>>>> season.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I have heard lots of talk on how the points are awarded .
> >> >>>>>> Here is my thought
> >> >>>>>>>> in how the contest(S) could be more competitive:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> 1. Use 3 contests for qualification. Each pilot will be
> >> >>>>>> awarded 33 points for
> >> >>>>>>>> attendance plus 1 point for each person they beat in the
> >> >>>>>> contest.
> >> >>>>>>>> One contest can be used from out of district however that
> >> >>>>>> contest can not
> >> >>>>>>>> have
> >> >>>>>>>> any points given that is larger than the largest D7 contest
> >> >>>>>> attended.As an
> >> >>>>>>>> example if a pilot attended the NATS and beat 30 people but
> >> >>>>>> their largest
> >> >>>>>>>> class in D7 was 18 they could only be awarded 18 points
> >> >>>>>>>> extra
> >> >>>>>> not 30.
> >> >>>>>>>> 2. The championship Contest will count as 100 points plus 1
> >> >>>>>> point for each
> >> >>>>>>>> person beat.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> 3.The method for the calculation will be announced no later
> >> >>>>>> than Jan 1 2017
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> John
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
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Santa Clara County Model Aircraft Skypark
Associate Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics District X
Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)
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