[NSRCA-dist7] Fwd: Season Championship Thoughts

Fri Feb 13 17:55:41 AKST 2015

Tony,

Was there a time that 1 out of district contest counted? I though that's
how it always was. I was under the impression the nats even counted for 1.
Not that that would ever make a difference for me. lol

Thx,

C

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Anthony Frackowiak <
frackowiak at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Interesting numbers Jon. But they really do not prove anything. Averages
> are just that, averages. I suppose if all the NSRCA members in the district
> disclosed their income and available free time and we could then average
> that out between everyone then it would be fair. I'm all for it! But these
> changes implemented by Sean without a proper way of polling all involved do
> not work for the "below average" income guys. Why are we doing something
> that might possibly keep someone out of the champs if as you say it is
> purely symbolic? Makes no sense to me!
>
> And I don't know how you can continue to say that Arvin and Fresno are
> central to this district. They are far from it. Wonder how the Arizona,
> Utah and Nevada guys feel about always being told that Central California
> is the center of the district? And why would it be so crazy to have a
> Champs at the absolutely beautiful field that Gary Switala holds his
> contest? Shortsightedness like this certainly does nothing to increase
> participation throughout this "entire" district.
>
> I guess if you tell no one that you are open to bids for hosting the
> Champs, only talk to Fresno and Arvin, then picking Arvin is a fine choice.
>
> I'm sorry if my tone is harsh. But it seems at times like that is the only
> way to raise a point. And being one of the lower income guys trying to do
> this it maybe I am more sensitive to it then others.
>
> Tony Frackowiak
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> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Jonathan L Carter via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
>
>   Chris – As I indicated in my post, the data shows that Sean’s change is
> primarily symbolic. That being said, it is important symbolism in my mind.
> First, it reinforces the fact that this is a “Season”- “Championship”; the
> pilot’s participation in the “season” is important. Second, there were a
> few pilots (in FAI) who only attended three contests last year and the
> season championship! Perhaps under Sean’s new system we will get to see
> their smiling, happy faces at four contests! This has the direct potential
> to increase local contest attendance. Now you might argue that they will
> ignore the fame, honor and chicks that come along with being the D7 season
> champion due to this new requirement. I sure hope not but if they do, we
> will miss them. L
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> Having two out of district contests able to count really makes it easier
> for our more remote located pilots to accumulate the four contests
> required. Now they only need two regular in district contests and they can
> fill the other two with, hopefully, closer out of district contests.
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> Now, if you want me to add Gross Yearly Income… J
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> Jon Carter
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> *From:* Chris Fitzsimmons [mailto:kfactoreditor at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 12:28 PM
> *To:* joncarter60; CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Fwd: Season Championship Thoughts
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> Did you break those down by Gross Yearly Income? lol I'm guessing the
> contests are attended more by people who earn more.
>
> From those numbers, it's a wash you are saying from both view points.
> Sean's idea makes 0 difference and will not make any difference on getting
> more people to attend more contests because people already attend more than
> that many contests. Matter of fact, twice as many currently. On the other
> side, it also has no difference on who will win the district Champion
> because more contests are already attended than 3 by twice as much. The
> ratio actually goes down by adding the 4th contest.
>
> As I stated before, adding a 4th win needed (per say), negates the need
> for the 2nd out of district contest needed. They still need 2 in district
> so it makes 0 difference. Am I missing something there?
>
> Thanks for doing the great numbers and write up on this Jon!
>
> C
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> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:01 AM, joncarter60 via NSRCA-dist7 <
> nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
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> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
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> -------- Original message --------
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> From: Jon Carter <jon.x.carter at oracle.com>
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> Date:02/13/2015 10:57 AM (GMT-08:00)
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> To: "Jonathan Carter (joncarter60 at comcast.net)" <joncarter60 at comcast.net>
>
> Cc:
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> Subject: Season Championship Thoughts
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>
> *NSRCA District 7 Season Championship Thoughts*
>
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>
> There has been some discussion on the D7 list lately regarding the changes
> that Sean is implementing this year for the NSRCA season championship
> award. I think we need to mention what it is that the season championship
> should represent. In my opinion, it’s more than just picking the best pilot
> on a given day. It should represent a “season” of competition with all that
> goes along with that. You know the stuff that makes our sport great.
> (Flying, BS’ing, Saturday night dinners, helping out other pilots, calling,
> teasing other pilots, etc. etc.!) Now, given our format for the season
> champion I think we have a good balance between picking the best season
> competitor and picking the best pilot. We generally have the top two, three
> or four pilots all going into the season championship essentially tied on
> points so it often does come down to who has the “stuff” for that one big
> contest! Sean’s initial proposal discussed at the AMA Expo was to increase
> the number of contests that had points counted from 3 to 5. There was much
> discussion with a slight majority thinking that 5 contests were too many to
> count. There was more discussion and a number of 4 was proposed. Most
> people present seemed to think this was a good number. Sean also is
> allowing 2 “out of district contests” to count towards a D7 pilot’s total.
> This is aimed to assist some of our D7 pilots who live farther away from
> most of the D7 contests but are closer to some adjacent district contests.
> I support both of these modifications.
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> Just for grins, I went and looked at how many contests the pilots in
> different classes attended last year. This is for all district pilots in
> all classes. Here is the data.
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>  *Class*
>  *Average # of contests attended in 2015 by D7 pilots*
>   Sportsman
>  4.8
>   Intermediate
>  6.2
>   Advanced
>  5.1
>   Masters
>  5.2
>   FAI “Silver”
>  6.8
>   FAI-F3A
>  3.8
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> I think this shows that FAI pilots need to come out and fly at some more
> D7 contests!!! Except for them, everyone already attends at least 4
> contests a year anyway! I then looked at “how many contests did the pilots
> who actually attended the season championship go to during the year”
>
>
>  *Class*
>  *Average # of contests attended in 2015 by D7 pilots who attended the
> season championship*
>   Sportsman
>  6.6
>   Intermediate
>  6.8
>   Advanced
>  7.0
>   Masters
>  6.2
>   FAI “Silver”
>  6.7
>   FAI-F3A
>  4.0
>
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>
> Interesting! Again, FAI is the outlier but all of the other classes go to
> at least 6 contests per year! I didn’t crunch the data for other years but
> I looked them over and they appear pretty similar to 2015.
>
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>
> Now, expense has been mentioned and that certainly is a factor in these
> difficult economic times. As you can see from the data though people are
> already going to enough contests! With the addition of allowing two out of
> D7 contests to assist those pilots who are less centrally located I really
> do not think this will have a negative economic impact on our pilots. I
> really think that the relatively slight modification that Sean has made to
> our season championship scoring system is a positive step towards
> reinforcing attendance at local contests albeit, mostly symbolic according
> to the data.
>
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>
> Another item that has been mentioned is where to have the District
> Championship? When I first started flying in the District it moved around
> quite a bit. I remember one in Las Vegas where it was freezing cold and
> blowing a gale for the 14 pilots who attended! (We got in one day of
> flying!) I also was at a championship contest in Prado that had a good
> turnout but it snowed on Saturday night! (Also a 1 day!) It seems that a
> central location with, as much as possible, reliable weather in the late
> October timeframe would be ideal. Arvin has certainly fit that bill very
> well recently as has Fresno. My personal opinion is that if we want to
> move it around some that is great! Maybe a little further south some years,
> maybe a little further north, maybe we even go crazy and have Gary or John
> arrange something in AZ!!! The point being that it really seems Sean is
> open to moving it around to places that make sense. When he first published
> the preliminary season schedule for 2015 in November of 2014 there was a
> question mark on the location of the district championship. That is the
> time to approach Sean and your club to formulate plans. As far as I know
> the only clubs/people that offered to host it were Fresno and Arvin.
> Since we had done Fresno last year Sean chose Arvin. I think that is a
> great field with (usually) great weather and an active group of pattern
> flyers! Sounds good to me!
>
>
>
> In summation I want to thank and congratulate Sean for doing a great job
> as District VP! He has reached out to pilots and solicited input from all
> and made reasoned, considerate decisions. Just like we elected him to do!
> Our district is the envy of many others for our weather, our contests, our
> fun and our great people! Let’s keep it that way.
>
>
>
> Jon Carter
>
> Ex District 7 VP!
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