[NSRCA-dist7] District Championships

Thu Feb 12 11:00:02 AKST 2015

I have to say a few more things after both talking a bit to Sean and reading the last couple of his articles in the K-Factor.

Sean is saying that if this doesn't work it will go back to how it was. I have to ask, what will be the metrics to determine success/failure? I also still feel that many, including Sean, are insensitive to the potential added expense for someone on a limited budget. OK, there are a number of contests in SoCal within a fairly short driving distance. But that is only one aspect of the expense. Is anyone considering motels/food/vacation/lost work days? And from looking at the entrants, those factors are more likely to affect many in Sportsman/Intermediate and Advanced. I'm sure there are Masters and F3A pilots who will also find another required contest difficult to attend. Is that what we truly want to do to upcoming fliers?

I have another point. In the K-Factor Sean has said that he only received two bids to hold the Champs, Fresno and Arvin. I have to say, when were bids requested? There are a number of locations that could and maybe would want to hold the Champs. I can tell you the Tailwinds would very much like to hold them. Why is the guaranteed income of holding the Champs at their field always going to one or maybe two clubs? And these clubs are hardly centrally located to the entire district.

I'm sorry, but I find this stuff to have the appearance of elitism and backdoor dealings. I don't think that is what is intended but it does start to look that way.

Tony Frackowiak

On Jan 25, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Mike via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:

> I will start off like Chris.......  all good points IMHO
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> Being that we have 8 contest this year within 100 miles from where Jean and I live, I will refrain from making too many comments as to the number of contests required to attend (win) to be eligible for district champ. I don't know that "forcing" pilots to attend more contest to be eligible, would encourage them to attend more or not.  ??  You are either going to attend contest, or not.  I would like to weigh in on where the district championship would be held.   Perhaps all clubs who are interested in hosting the D7 Championship would notify the district VP of such interest.  Then all clubs interested would have their names put in a hat, and a drawing would be held at the D7 meeting at the AMA Expo (or any other radom method).  It would then be known, then published where it would be held.  This process might be a little late for this year.......or not, but this would open it up to all interested clubs.   I realize the reasons pilots like Bear Mountain....... centrally located in district (not really, but that is a whole different subject), somewhat predictable weather (not always, as illustrated this past year) and very nice accommodations.  Looking over the records of those who attended the Fresno contest last year, no one from AZ made it.......just a little too far perhaps?  But when it's been at Arvin, there have been a few who have made it.....outer limits for most of the AZ guys? I really don't think there is an easy answer for both subjects......people don't like change?  You'll please some, but not all.  I do think at the meeting Sean said this would be an experiment to see how it flies (no pun intended). If it doesn't work out, we would go back to the way it's done in the past.  Thanks for reading......it's just another opinion for discussion.
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> Mike G.
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> On 1/24/2015 6:40 PM, Chris Fitzsimmons via NSRCA-dist7 wrote:
>> Good points imo..
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>> I almost wanted to see if I could get reimbursed my NSRCA membership.. I have a hard time attending a bunch of contests financially like I used to. I guess it could be perceived that the district champion will also be better off financially. And that those who struggle financially to attend may as well go fly a kite.
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>> Having one or two extra contest wins needed will make people attend their locals more, not travel up or down to far from home contests imo.
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>> If one of the goals is to get more out of district pilots to attend our district championship, why raise their counted contests to 2, and then raise the number needed to 4 or 5. Doesnt make sense for them. They still need to attend 2/3 in district contests.
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>> Chris
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>> On Jan 24, 2015 12:45 PM, "Anthony Frackowiak via NSRCA-dist7" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
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>> I did not attend the AMA Expo this year and I was not present at the NSRCA meeting. I've been trying to find out what happened as I hear there have been some changes to the D-7 District Championships format.
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>> Let me recap what I heard and please correct me if it is not right.
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>> It started with Sean proposing that we increase the number of contests that are used for the scoring from 3 to 5. It was also proposed that 2 out of district contests be allowed for the scoring. I heard there was a discussion and then a vote either to accept these proposals or to leave it alone. I heard the great majority wanted to have it left alone. There was some discussion after that vote and it was proposed to drop the number of contests to 4 and that there was never a vote on that proposal. But from some sort of process that is how it will be done.
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>> I have some comments regarding this format. Increasing the number of qualifying contests just makes it more difficult for those on a budget to be able to participate in the Championships. I don't see that as a positive change. It's hard enough for those with a more modest income to attend 3 and then the Champs. Why do we want to make it even more difficult? I just don't see the logic in changing a process that has been working so well. After all, the Class Champion is pretty much the one who wins the Champs. I'll bet if you looked at all the years results if you took away the scores from all the contests it would always be the one who won the Champs, if they were an NSRCA member. The only exception I can think of was when I attended the champs in Masters and hadn't flown three events. I can understand the desire to promote participation at the events but we seem to be doing pretty well at that with the system in place. We have more contests and a general trend of more entrants. So I
>>  think this is trying to fix something that's not broke.
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>> As to the out of district contests I can see allowing one but if we stay with 3 counting I don't think it should be two. Also, exactly how will that be scored? The previous scoring did not take in to account in the standings anyone who was out of the district or not an NSRCA member. Will being a member be included in these out of D-7 contests?
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>> Also, I hear that it has been decided that the district champs will be going back to the Bear Mountain Flyers field. What other considerations were attempted before making this decision? Shouldn't all the clubs that hold contests at their field in this District have a chance to hold the Champs? The Champs used to move around and now it seems that it can't get out of Central California. That is not fair to the entire district nor to the many other clubs that hold contests. Members in Arizona, Nevada and Utah have been excluded from holding this event for too long. Shouldn't they have a chance to make a bid for it?
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>> I have seen no discussion about these issues at all on this list or any other outlet. Is the leadership seeking input from more then those who attend the Expo?
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>> Thank you for your consideration,
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>> Tony Frackowiak
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