[NSRCA-dist7] Fwd: To all D7 pattern pilots
Chris Fitzsimmons
kfactoreditor at gmail.com
Tue Jan 3 11:38:13 AKST 2012
I woulg guess at least half the masters pilot will fly silver so
problem solved right? No because then silver becomes a giant class and
we are in the same dilema. If not this season, it will happen.
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On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Dale Olstinske <dale at cadence.com> wrote:
> Derek, The intention is not to force anyone to FAI, rather create an
> environment whereby a Masters pilot who otherwise would not, may
> move to FAI.
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> That said, how would we handle a contest with say 25 contestants,
> and 15 + masters pilots? I think is could very well happen. We could
> n’t put everyone on one line, that could take 2.5 hrs to complete a
> round, with no judging snafu’s, probably longer.
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> Dale
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> From: nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist7-
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Derek Koopowitz
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:31 AM
> To: NSRCA Dist7
> Subject: [NSRCA-dist7] Fwd: To all D7 pattern pilots
>
>
>
> Jon,
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> I’ve been mulling this over since the original email from you…
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> Here are my thoughts – leave it as is. The problem isn’t with
> F3A… it’s with Masters. I don’t see why we have to modify the
> F3A format to fix a problem with Masters. That doesn’t make any sen
> se at all.
>
>
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> My preference is to have the same format as we did last year – if th
> e F3A pilot wants to fly F then let them fly F… if they don’t
> then fly P without a penalty.
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>
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> Let’s come up with a workable solution for Masters – not break up
> F3A to fix Masters. Masters is THE destination class for AMA – not
> F3A. There is no way I would force anyone up from Masters just to c
> lear up a logjam in the class… we can come up with other, better sol
> utions.
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> Best,
>
>
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> -Derek
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>
>
> From: Jon Carter [mailto:joncarter60 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 1:48 PM
> To: CA, AZ, HI, NV,UT
> Cc: Adrian Wong; Bill Sneed; Bill Wallace; Dale Olstinske; Derek
> Koopowitz; Dick Belden; Don Atwood; Frank Capone; Frohreich, Greg;
> Jarvis Johnson; Jerry Budd; Jim Oddino; krishlan fitzsimmons; kysung at comcast.net
> ; Luke Peng; Lynn Burks; LuvtheRocs at aol.com; rob at koolsoft.com;
> Robert Gillespie; Ron Davies; completemarine02 at sprintpcs.com; steve
> hannah; Terry Walker; Tom Messer; 'Jon Carter'
> Subject: To all D7 pattern pilots
>
>
>
> Happy New Year to all!!!
>
>
>
> Here is an e-mail I have been working on for the last month. I am
> finally sending it out to start the discussion process. If there are
> pilots who I have missed, please feel free to forward this e-mail to
> them.
>
>
>
> FAI and Masters in District 7: Issues and Opportunities
>
>
>
> I want to start some discussion among FAI pilots, Masters pilots and
> CDs about the FAI and Masters class in District 7. Please keep in
> mind that this discussion needs to focus on our experience here in
> District 7. This is a revision to a section of my K-Factor article
> that will appear in January. Given publication deadlines, I did not
> have the opportunity to get very much feedback before I had to
> submit the article! I have since received some feedback which I have
> added and this e-mail is my attempt to get more.
>
>
>
> In 2010 I heard from some of our local FAI pilots that they would
> like to fly the finals or “F” sequence at local meets. They felt
> that getting the opportunity to fly judged “F” sequences at our
> local contests would help them improve their flying and enable them
> to be more competitive at the Nats. I also heard that “FAI has two s
> equences so we really should fly them both in order to “really”
> fly FAI” I polled and spoke to most of the FAI pilots in our distric
> t and came up with a proposal. In 2010 we flew two rounds of judged
> “F” at local contests but if a pilot did not want to fly “F”
> he could fly “P” for those two rounds with no penalty. (We worked
> out a K-factor modification in an attempt to score “P” and
> “F” together) In 2011 we went one step further and had everyone
> fly two rounds of “F” at local contests. If a pilot did not want
> to fly “F” he took a zero for those two rounds. I definitely
> heard some feedback about that! I think the attendance numbers speak
> for themselves. In 2009 (“P” only) we had the highest number of
> pilots fly FAI since I have been the district scorekeeper. At some l
> ocal contests we had more FAI pilots than Masters. This number dropp
> ed in 2010 (“P” and “F” sort of “fudged” together) and it
> fell even further in 2011 (“P” & “F”). Concurrently, we have
> a LOT of Masters pilots! This creates real problems for the CDs in b
> alancing the lines, and for the judges, usually FAI and Advanced pil
> ots, who spend way too much time in the chair. I have heard from man
> y pilots this year that they do not have the time or the inclination
> to fly the “F” sequence but they really enjoy the extra
> challenge of the “P” sequence. This leads me to a discussion of
> some proposed solution for 2012. Please keep in mind that we are jus
> t discussing proposals at this point.
>
>
>
> Option 1
>
>
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> Don’t do anything. We continue to fly FAI with 4 rounds of P and two
> rounds of F. At local contests last year we flew this way and simpl
> y counted the best 4 rounds. That way you do not have to “keep”
> an F score. At the district championships you must keep an F score.
>
>
>
> Advantages
>
> Keeps things the same as last year, we continue to fly the “full”
> FAI pattern.
>
> Gives our local pilots who want to fly at the Nats a chance to fly
> judged “F” patterns.
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>
>
> Disadvantages
>
> Many pilots don’t seem to want to fly F and so they stay in Masters
> creating a “bulge” that makes the CDs and the contestant judges
> lives more difficult.
>
> We seem to be having a declining # of pilots in FAI.
>
>
>
> Option 2
>
>
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> Go back to the way we did it in 2010 and let some people fly P and
> some fly F and do some sort of score “fudge”.
>
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> Advantages
>
> Kind of a middle ground solution. Might get some pilots to leave
> Masters and try FAI.
>
>
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> Disadvantages
>
> I don’t really care for “fudge’ing” scoring. It just
> doesn’t seem right in a competitive sport.
>
>
>
> Option 3
>
>
>
> Split FAI into two “divisions” let’s call them “Gold” and
> “Silver” these two divisions are competed for and scored
> separately. Here’s a simple description.
>
>
>
> FAI “Gold”
>
>
>
> This class will fly 4 rounds of the “P” sequence and two rounds
> of the “F” sequence at each local contest. Their final contest
> score will consist of their best 3 out of 4 “P” rounds and their
> best 1 out of 2 “F” rounds. This will also be the format used for
> FAI “Gold” at the district championship contest. If there is
> enough interest we could even fly an unknown round at the season cha
> mpionships.
>
>
>
> FAI “Silver”
>
>
>
> This class will fly 6 rounds of the “P” sequence at each local
> contest. Their final contest score will consist of their best 4 out
> of 6 “P” rounds. This will also be the format used for FAI
> “Silver” at the district championship contest.
>
>
>
> A pilot may enter either class at any contest. You cannot fly in
> both at one contest though! You can change back and forth as many as
> you want to during the pattern year.
>
>
>
> Advantages:
>
> Possibly increase the pilots flying FAI and reduce the pilots in
> Masters. This will greatly simplify line balancing and judging
> assignments. Gold pilots are perfect judges for Silver and vice a
> versa. Masters pilots can judge Gold, Silver or Advanced.
>
> Reduce the length of time spent in the judging chair. Judging 10
> Masters pilots is not an easy task and requires you to be in the
> judging chair for almost an hour and a half. Not very fun at a local
> contest!
>
> Make the CDs job of finding and assigning judges much easier.
>
> Might improve competition within FAI (Gold and Silver) and Masters.
>
>
>
> Disadvantages:
>
> The CD needs to provide one more set of trophies. Extra cost is “bad
> ”!
>
> Depending on who shows up the CD might have extra trophies that he
> will have to “eat”
>
> Further splits a small pool of competitors. How many pilots will fly
> “Gold”, maybe not enough to have a fun competition?
>
>
>
> I think the trophy problem can be worked around. By the time we get
> to be a Masters or an FAI pilot do we really need to get a trophy at
> a local contest? I know I don’t! A simple group photo or a medal or
> a simple metal plaque that lists the event and the class would be fi
> ne. At my contests this year I intend to simplify the Masters and FA
> I trophies regardless of what we do with FAI. In regards to the othe
> r issues I don’t know.
>
>
>
> Please bear in mind that I am looking for ideas and proposals. If
> you are a Masters or FAI pilot and you don’t think that anything is
> “broke” just let me know! If most Masters and FAI pilots think it
> ain’t broke then we won’t “fix it”!!! (Option 1) Or if you
> don’t like any of my proposals but have another thought in mind just
> let me know. So to you FAI and Masters pilots and Cds out there, th
> ink about it and please let me hear from you.
>
>
>
> Jon Carter
>
> NSRCA D7 VP
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