[NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts

Thu Feb 25 08:21:03 AKST 2010

And Derek. What weekend did I "plonk" my contest on yours? The first  
weekend in May? The last weekend in April? The third weekend in April?  
Or the weekend in August? Because that is the "block" that your  
contest has been held. Do you get preference on all those dates?

Tony

On Feb 25, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:

> I guess its all a matter of interpretation...
>
> You said I lectured you... I didn't.  I said I was contemplating  
> cancelling the contest anyway... you said I was taking my ball home.
>
> Tony, you are very arrogant at times and it rubs people the wrong  
> way.  Some of us are really trying to play nicely here and do the  
> right thing.  I have a right to be inflexible if my contest is the  
> traditional contest (regardless of whether it is a week off from its  
> original date or not) and for a new contest to come in and just  
> plonk itself down on "my" date is not the way I play this game.   
> There are a lot of people up here in Norcal that really would like  
> to attend your contest since they enjoy flying at Arvin (I'm one of  
> them) and it is now unfortunate that they have to choose which one  
> to attend.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Frackowiak" <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "AZ CA, HI, NV, UT" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:18:31 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada  
> Pacific
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> Chris,
>
> Go back and read your posts again. I responded when I got animosity  
> from you. Pretty simple really.
>
> If those dates you mentioned worked out so well for Riverside and  
> Hemet, why have they gone back to Riverside on April 17, 18 and  
> Hemet on May 15, 16? The only June openings would bump against  
> Whittier on June 5, 6 and your Oakdale on June 26, 27. July and  
> August are not an option in Arvin. Last year showed it is an option  
> at BARCS. Holding a contest in Arvin in September is too close to  
> the District Champs that Arvin has been hosting for the last several  
> years.
>
> And Derek, I didn't suggest you were taking your ball home. You made  
> that threat.
>
> All we wanted to do was have another contest at a fantastic field. I  
> tried my best to get good dates for it.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:29 AM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
> Perhaps it will work out better in the future for sure Tony. Lets  
> hope..
>
> Not sure where I led you wrong. It was the first time I looked at  
> the schedule.. Not sure where I fired the first shot, or why you say  
> I fired it.. Perhaps you took it wrong.. Not sure why a firing back  
> on your behalf would have been necessary anyway.. Maybe an  
> explanation.. Not a firing.. Don't know why it went that route. It  
> wasn't on my end..
>
> So on the contrary.. Whittier has always been pretty well attended  
> in June.. Riverside was pretty well attended in August 07-08, and  
> Hemet was pretty well attended in August in 07-08. I don't think you  
> were flying pattern for these years. Perhaps you could check the  
> website.. But they were attended pretty well.. Not sure where you  
> get your numbers.. If there is a contest down there, I'm pretty sure  
> I would come down.. And so would Carter.. And so would the so cal  
> crew..
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Anthony Frackowiak <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 1:12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> Hey Kris,
>
> You fired the first shot at me. I just fired back. Don't see how I  
> or you could take it any other way.
>
> Sure I fly in the heat. But not all day and not staring in the sky  
> judging for a couple of hours. It has been proven down here over the  
> years that contests are lightly attended when held in the summer.
>
> This was all discussed at the NSRCA meeting at the AMA show. I was  
> surprised when you started this post about it. We would have liked a  
> better option to have happened but it didn't. We know we will be  
> missing some of the NoCal fliers, but we really have no other  
> choice. Maybe it will work out better in the future.
>
> Tony
>
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:59 AM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Wow.. I feel somewhat attacked..
>
> Constructive? lol.. Too funny.. Not sure why you are taking this out  
> on me..I love Arvin.. Never said a negative word about it. I love  
> the field.. Not sure why you are trying to put that on me Tony.. But  
> here's my response cuz apparently you want one....
> I live in the valley Tony, do you think I don't fly in the heat? Or  
> do you think the heat only happens down there? I live in the same  
> valley as Arvin (3 hours north) .. Heck, if you remember, I used to  
> live down there also. So do you quit flying during those months?  
> lol.. I doubt it.  I used to fly in it.. Heck, I don't don't care  
> what the temp, I'm flying, and attending contests..  Hell, I'm  
> holding Oakdale just before July.. I'm guessing 100 degrees.. But  
> people will show.. I have no doubt.. They love the field and the  
> contest. Plus I'll buy shades if I have to.. And I am planning on  
> buying the soda's and waters.. Contests can happen in the heat.. The  
> CD just has to make them happen..
>
> Hope I'm taking this wrong and that you aren't attacking me.. Just  
> feels that way..
>
> Hope the weather down there is better than here!
>
> Best regards!
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Anthony Frackowiak <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 12:03:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> Kris,
>
> Very constructive reply. It's good to see that the club that has  
> hosted the District Championships for the last several years is so  
> worthy of your support.
>
> Do you have any idea why there are no contests in July, August and  
> September in SoCal? Do you want to go to a contest with 95 to 100  
> degree days? That's why.
>
> I have asked for input on when to hold the Arvin contest and I have  
> received no responses. You asked for an explanation on why we picked  
> the date and I gave you one. In my opinion, my case has been made  
> with Derek's "I'll take my ball home" response. Who really has been  
> the inflexible one here?
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:37 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
> I hope you don't Derek.
>
> I really enjoy your contest (as do many others) and after reading  
> what was posted I wouldn't want to go to Arvin now anyway.. I'll  
> help you cd if needed! I'm actually a little suprised by the  
> response I got. There are no so cal contests in most of June, all of  
> July, August and September.. IMO something in that time frame is a  
> little better for a new southern contest.. But then again, who am I?  
> lol...
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at comcast.net>
> To: "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 9:38:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> The “lecture” I gave Tony was to be more flexible with his date as  
> it is a new contest and shouldn’t conflict with traditional dates.    
> The BARCS contest has always been held the last week of April  but  
> for the past several years we’ve had weather issues on that weekend  
> and for the 1st time last year we moved the date to the 1st weekend  
> in May.  Guess what?  We got rained out again – so we decided to  
> keep it at the 1st weekend in May going forward since we felt our  
> odds would be better.  Since it didn’t interfere or conflict with  
> any traditional contests in previous years we thought we’d be ok.   
> Our board is limited to the dates we can use and moving it to the  
> following weekend won’t work (Mother’s Day).  I’m not going back  
> either since that conflicts with other activities.
>
> The only other option I have is to cancel the contest – which I what  
> I’m leaning toward anyway.  I’m tired of this bickering back and  
> forth about who said what, etc.
>
> From: nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Anthony Frackowiak
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:06 AM
> To: CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> Kris,
>
> When Leon and I set the date for the Arvin contest we looked at the  
> last several years of the contest schedule. The BARCS meet has  
> changed their dates several times over the last few years, so they  
> do not have a "traditional" date. Most years the BARCS meet has been  
> held on the last weekend in April. Last year the BARCS meet was  
> scheduled for the first weekend in May, but they had bad weather and  
> moved it to August, which as far as I know, everyone liked it then.  
> If we move the Arvin meet one weekend back or one weekend up, we  
> bump against the Riverside meet or the Hemet meet, something I did  
> not want to do. So we really could not have it on a different  
> weekend in May. There were really no open weekends in April. So when  
> do you think we should have scheduled the Arvin meet? I can tell you  
> this, if the BARCS meet was scheduled the same weekend as either  
> Riverside or Hemet, it would have little to no impact, especially  
> the same weekend as Hemet. No one going to Hemet would be also going  
> to BARCS. Or if the BARCS meet could be moved to May 8, 9, it would  
> work out a lot better.
>
> I tried to work with Derek on this but basically got a lecture and  
> no compromise. I'm sorry it is a conflict, as I do know many from  
> the "north" who would like to go to Arvin. It's a great place to fly!
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:01 AM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
>
> Just looking over contests for the year and wondering why Arvin is  
> being held the same weekend as Richmond. Richmond is held around  
> that time every year depending on weather if I remember correctly..  
> I hate to miss Arvin because of this situation. I really like flying  
> there. Bummer to have the lower turnout at Arvin because of this  
> because I'm sure many from the north would travel there..
>
> Are these dates correct?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
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