[NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts

Thu Feb 25 08:14:27 AKST 2010

Derek,

Now we're in to insults. Whatever. I know a heck of a lot of people  
who through experience have had a difficult time dealing with you.  
Just add me to that list.

Tony

On Feb 25, 2010, at 8:49 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:

> I guess its all a matter of interpretation...
>
> You said I lectured you... I didn't.  I said I was contemplating  
> cancelling the contest anyway... you said I was taking my ball home.
>
> Tony, you are very arrogant at times and it rubs people the wrong  
> way.  Some of us are really trying to play nicely here and do the  
> right thing.  I have a right to be inflexible if my contest is the  
> traditional contest (regardless of whether it is a week off from its  
> original date or not) and for a new contest to come in and just  
> plonk itself down on "my" date is not the way I play this game.   
> There are a lot of people up here in Norcal that really would like  
> to attend your contest since they enjoy flying at Arvin (I'm one of  
> them) and it is now unfortunate that they have to choose which one  
> to attend.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Frackowiak" <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "AZ CA, HI, NV, UT" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:18:31 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada  
> Pacific
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> Chris,
>
> Go back and read your posts again. I responded when I got animosity  
> from you. Pretty simple really.
>
> If those dates you mentioned worked out so well for Riverside and  
> Hemet, why have they gone back to Riverside on April 17, 18 and  
> Hemet on May 15, 16? The only June openings would bump against  
> Whittier on June 5, 6 and your Oakdale on June 26, 27. July and  
> August are not an option in Arvin. Last year showed it is an option  
> at BARCS. Holding a contest in Arvin in September is too close to  
> the District Champs that Arvin has been hosting for the last several  
> years.
>
> And Derek, I didn't suggest you were taking your ball home. You made  
> that threat.
>
> All we wanted to do was have another contest at a fantastic field. I  
> tried my best to get good dates for it.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 1:29 AM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
> Perhaps it will work out better in the future for sure Tony. Lets  
> hope..
>
> Not sure where I led you wrong. It was the first time I looked at  
> the schedule.. Not sure where I fired the first shot, or why you say  
> I fired it.. Perhaps you took it wrong.. Not sure why a firing back  
> on your behalf would have been necessary anyway.. Maybe an  
> explanation.. Not a firing.. Don't know why it went that route. It  
> wasn't on my end..
>
> So on the contrary.. Whittier has always been pretty well attended  
> in June.. Riverside was pretty well attended in August 07-08, and  
> Hemet was pretty well attended in August in 07-08. I don't think you  
> were flying pattern for these years. Perhaps you could check the  
> website.. But they were attended pretty well.. Not sure where you  
> get your numbers.. If there is a contest down there, I'm pretty sure  
> I would come down.. And so would Carter.. And so would the so cal  
> crew..
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Anthony Frackowiak <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 1:12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> Hey Kris,
>
> You fired the first shot at me. I just fired back. Don't see how I  
> or you could take it any other way.
>
> Sure I fly in the heat. But not all day and not staring in the sky  
> judging for a couple of hours. It has been proven down here over the  
> years that contests are lightly attended when held in the summer.
>
> This was all discussed at the NSRCA meeting at the AMA show. I was  
> surprised when you started this post about it. We would have liked a  
> better option to have happened but it didn't. We know we will be  
> missing some of the NoCal fliers, but we really have no other  
> choice. Maybe it will work out better in the future.
>
> Tony
>
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:59 AM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> Wow.. I feel somewhat attacked..
>
> Constructive? lol.. Too funny.. Not sure why you are taking this out  
> on me..I love Arvin.. Never said a negative word about it. I love  
> the field.. Not sure why you are trying to put that on me Tony.. But  
> here's my response cuz apparently you want one....
> I live in the valley Tony, do you think I don't fly in the heat? Or  
> do you think the heat only happens down there? I live in the same  
> valley as Arvin (3 hours north) .. Heck, if you remember, I used to  
> live down there also. So do you quit flying during those months?  
> lol.. I doubt it.  I used to fly in it.. Heck, I don't don't care  
> what the temp, I'm flying, and attending contests..  Hell, I'm  
> holding Oakdale just before July.. I'm guessing 100 degrees.. But  
> people will show.. I have no doubt.. They love the field and the  
> contest. Plus I'll buy shades if I have to.. And I am planning on  
> buying the soda's and waters.. Contests can happen in the heat.. The  
> CD just has to make them happen..
>
> Hope I'm taking this wrong and that you aren't attacking me.. Just  
> feels that way..
>
> Hope the weather down there is better than here!
>
> Best regards!
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Anthony Frackowiak <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 12:03:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> Kris,
>
> Very constructive reply. It's good to see that the club that has  
> hosted the District Championships for the last several years is so  
> worthy of your support.
>
> Do you have any idea why there are no contests in July, August and  
> September in SoCal? Do you want to go to a contest with 95 to 100  
> degree days? That's why.
>
> I have asked for input on when to hold the Arvin contest and I have  
> received no responses. You asked for an explanation on why we picked  
> the date and I gave you one. In my opinion, my case has been made  
> with Derek's "I'll take my ball home" response. Who really has been  
> the inflexible one here?
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2010, at 11:37 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
> I hope you don't Derek.
>
> I really enjoy your contest (as do many others) and after reading  
> what was posted I wouldn't want to go to Arvin now anyway.. I'll  
> help you cd if needed! I'm actually a little suprised by the  
> response I got. There are no so cal contests in most of June, all of  
> July, August and September.. IMO something in that time frame is a  
> little better for a new southern contest.. But then again, who am I?  
> lol...
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Derek Koopowitz <derekkoopowitz at comcast.net>
> To: "CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT" <nsrca-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wed, February 24, 2010 9:38:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> The “lecture” I gave Tony was to be more flexible with his date as  
> it is a new contest and shouldn’t conflict with traditional dates.    
> The BARCS contest has always been held the last week of April  but  
> for the past several years we’ve had weather issues on that weekend  
> and for the 1st time last year we moved the date to the 1st weekend  
> in May.  Guess what?  We got rained out again – so we decided to  
> keep it at the 1st weekend in May going forward since we felt our  
> odds would be better.  Since it didn’t interfere or conflict with  
> any traditional contests in previous years we thought we’d be ok.   
> Our board is limited to the dates we can use and moving it to the  
> following weekend won’t work (Mother’s Day).  I’m not going back  
> either since that conflicts with other activities.
>
> The only other option I have is to cancel the contest – which I what  
> I’m leaning toward anyway.  I’m tired of this bickering back and  
> forth about who said what, etc.
>
> From: nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-dist7-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Anthony Frackowiak
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:06 AM
> To: CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist7] Contest conflicts
>
> Kris,
>
> When Leon and I set the date for the Arvin contest we looked at the  
> last several years of the contest schedule. The BARCS meet has  
> changed their dates several times over the last few years, so they  
> do not have a "traditional" date. Most years the BARCS meet has been  
> held on the last weekend in April. Last year the BARCS meet was  
> scheduled for the first weekend in May, but they had bad weather and  
> moved it to August, which as far as I know, everyone liked it then.  
> If we move the Arvin meet one weekend back or one weekend up, we  
> bump against the Riverside meet or the Hemet meet, something I did  
> not want to do. So we really could not have it on a different  
> weekend in May. There were really no open weekends in April. So when  
> do you think we should have scheduled the Arvin meet? I can tell you  
> this, if the BARCS meet was scheduled the same weekend as either  
> Riverside or Hemet, it would have little to no impact, especially  
> the same weekend as Hemet. No one going to Hemet would be also going  
> to BARCS. Or if the BARCS meet could be moved to May 8, 9, it would  
> work out a lot better.
>
> I tried to work with Derek on this but basically got a lecture and  
> no compromise. I'm sorry it is a conflict, as I do know many from  
> the "north" who would like to go to Arvin. It's a great place to fly!
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:01 AM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
>
> Just looking over contests for the year and wondering why Arvin is  
> being held the same weekend as Richmond. Richmond is held around  
> that time every year depending on weather if I remember correctly..  
> I hate to miss Arvin because of this situation. I really like flying  
> there. Bummer to have the lower turnout at Arvin because of this  
> because I'm sure many from the north would travel there..
>
> Are these dates correct?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
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