[NSRCA-dist6] NSRCA-dist6 Digest, Vol 23, Issue 2

Jeff and Claire jeffclaire at cableone.net
Mon Sep 8 17:31:12 AKDT 2014 

How do we define District Champion?
  
1.	Most wins in a class that considers/includes all those from 6 states
who are competitive?  
2.	Or is it the one who racks up points at contests with high
attendance?   
3.	Or maybe it's the guy who kicked butt at the Nats, which includes
others from our own district.
  
It's possible these all could be the same guy, but most years probably not.
There may be some other way to define a district champ, I don't know.
Scott's proposal opened a much needed discussion and it holds some good
points in my opinion.  I also appreciate Brian Clemmons' statement that
winning in Muncie is tough. It takes a lot more than luck. It takes a lot
more of everything you'd muster up for any  contest.  Therefore I think
doing well at the Nats should be rewarded accordingly.  

I agree with Cliff that awarding zero points if a class doesn't have 3
contestants is going to discourage attendance.   If we follow the rest of
Scott's proposal which (if I understand correctly) awards 0 for last place,
then 1st place of two competitors should get points as well.  Going a step
further to encourage attendance, 1st through 3rd at a small contest should
get points as it is now.   

So I think #1 and 3 above should be used to define D6 Champ.  Scott's
proposal supports that but I also propose the following for consideration:

1.Award points to all who fly even if less than three in a given class. 

2.If D6 champ did not win the Nats, then require D6 champ to have competed
in at least 3 of our 6 states, and let Muncie count as one of those three.
(may have raised some eyebrows with that one...)  In my opinion, if you're
not flying against a large enough cross-section of the talent that's out
there, how do you (and we) know how good you really are? 

3.Consider allowing a weighted Nats result AND one out of district result as
2 of the best 5.   Allowing an out of district contest helps the guys who
live several hundred of miles from  D6 epicenter (ie: Denver is 1,000 miles
from east Texas / west Louisiana).  If eastern D6 guys go to Alabama or
Florida and do well, that should count for something.  Same thing if a
western D6 guy goes to D7 and does well.  Several contests in D7 (including
Bakersfield) are closer for the NM or CO guys  than the drive to Austin or
Houston. I suspect the Oklahoma guys have relatively close options in D5 as
well.  
 
Anyway, that's my 2 cents on a tough problem to solve.  Thanks to Scott for
raising the issue, Brian for encouraging discussion and all else who
weigh-in with an idea to help make D6 best we can be.
Jeff Worsham  
   

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   1. Re: District Champion (Scott McHarg)


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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 11:25:43 -0500
From: Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
To: Clifton Bradford <clcb at bresnan.net>,  "AR, CO, LA, NM, OK, TX"
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist6] District Champion
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I can certainly understand this point of view but the NATS champion being
district champion was just my opinion and not part of the proposal.  I also
described a path that we could take for those vying for District Champion by
adding a 6th contest for anyone not going to the Nats.  There was never an
intention to take away from the participation but I also don't think we
should penalize those that spend the money and the effort to attend the
Nationals.  District Champion should be about who the best pilot is and not
necessarily based on the pilot that participates the most solely.  I agree
that participation should be a key 100% but if we want to award the
championship to the person who participates the most, maybe we should
consider a different name for the award.

My proposal was only meant as a way to get people thinking of a way that
would be fair to everyone across our district.  In the current system, there
is no way that someone in the western half of our district could ever win
without having to constantly travel 12+ hours to get to the more
well-attended contests in the eastern portion of our district.  Is my
proposal perfect?  Absolutely not but I was hoping to get us to consider
everyone in our district and devise a better way of determining the champion
for our entire district.

*Scott A. McHarg*
VSCL / CANVASS U.A.V. Pilot Texas A&M University PPL - ASEL

On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Clifton Bradford via NSRCA-dist6 <
nsrca-dist6 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> I disagree with the take that we as a district should support the 
> NSRCA Nationals and whomever is lucky enough to win should be our district
champ.
>
> I think you should look at what represents a district champ. For me it 
> isn't the highest placing dist 6 pilot at the Nats. I am of the 
> opinion that the dist champ should represent the district and not the
Nats.
> Pattern contest are few and the distances you must travel are huge, to 
> say O points earned for attending a contest with less than three would 
> kill the few that we have. If there is no reward why not stay home and 
> practice or take the kids to a movie or whatever.
>
> So who represents dist 6 as the Champion now, it is the person who 
> spends his or her money putting the miles on and attending and 
> supporting the local contest. To me this is as it should be. In 1995 I 
> attended 6-7 local contest and placed 3rd in sportsman at the Nats, 
> the Nats was the only contest I lost and I was not the district champ. 
> At that time there was a contest in the Dallas/Fort worth area  and 
> whomever won that single contest was the champ. In my opinion that 
> person did not represent the district, but only the winner of a local
contest.
>
> I campaigned rather hard and was vocal with my thoughts at the time 
> and the District champ was changed to the format we now enjoy. To 
> adjust the system to a point that attending a local contest had little 
> impact on the Championship would be a huge mistake.
>
> Personally I have only made the trip to the Nats, three times. Each 
> time I left with the feeling that I had attended a local contest and 
> chose not to make the trip anymore. I may or may not attend in the 
> future but if I worked at winning that contest and spent my money 
> towards that instead of supporting pattern within the District 6 area 
> I would not feel that I should be champ because I won the Nats.
>
> Pattern contest have dwindled to the point that only a few remain, 
> after a long absence I was able to attend two local contest this year 
> one had only
> 9 people across all classes, the other had only 12. To follow Scott's 
> suggestion would have a negative impact on these contest, by removing 
> any opportunity to gain points toward the Dist Champ.
>
> Our District Champ should be just that. I see that as the person that 
> puts in the time to attend as many local contest as possible. By 
> rewarding that we will continue to have local contest but make them 
> worthless and the result will be no contest and pattern will continue 
> to fall even further in our area.
>
> Cliff Bradford, NSRCA 1481
>
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