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<div>Just to clarify, if needed, I was not specifically advocating we raise funds to buy a Vogel system, just noting some possible ways to do so.</div><div><br></div><div>FWIW - D7 has already raised in excess of $5K for their purchase of Vogel systems. Pretty impressive effort!</div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Regards,</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Dave</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Please pardon any spelling errors or brevity.....Sent on a Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note® 3</div></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Ed Alt <ed_alt@hotmail.com> <br>Date: 10/30/2015 07:50 (GMT-05:00) <br>To: Dana Beaton <danamaenia@me.com>, "CT, DE, ME, MD, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT" <nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org> <br>Cc: Dave Lockhart <davel322@comcast.net> <br>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist1] PatternScoring System <br><br><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div></div><div>I agree with Dana, there's little room to extract this kind of money from contest proceeds. The host clubs expect something in return. For perspective, the host club for the last-ever Pocono Pattern contest got upset because the financial return was low. It was on the low side because I decided to use more of the proceeds to support the US F3A 2015 World Championship team by buying shirts as prizes. It wasn't all that much money, but the uproar that it caused shows me where the thinking of at least that club is at. Never in a million years would they have agreed to support hundreds of dollars going to an automated scoring system. I like the system, but IMO it's impractical for D1 at this point in time.</div><div><br></div><div>Ed </div><div><br>On Oct 30, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-dist1 <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><div class="">Agree with Dave’s observations about manpower, our recent contests and the problems to solve except for the funding part. Our contests have been friendly & small; what proceeds there are need to go to the clubs that have closed their airfields for the day or weekend so we can have our contests. Perhaps if we had large turnouts like they have in D7, fund raising might be feasible but that is just not realistic for D1. We are having fun at our small turnout contests so I don’t see that as the most rational problem to try to solve, given the recent history of D1 in the 5 years that I have been competing. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Agree also with Anthony on solutions. This year is a off year for both Sequence Committee and Contest Board, so I can volunteer for scoring team work in D1 if others will also support Anthony's idea. We would need Scott Smith’s help to make this completely successful, IMO. If Scott would contact me off thread, I can share some observations and ask for some specifics on how to solve. We would not need a lot of volunteers to make this idea work for D1, but one or two more who either have reliable laptops running MS smoothly, know how to correctly install and operate MS, or would be willing to work during the off-season so we are ready to go with updated, primary and back-up computers (and printers) known to operate for our 2016 contests. We can think through staffing for scoring ideas once the laptop solution is in sight. Will be much easier than a conversion to the Vogel system for 2016 IMO. Dana</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 28, 2015, at 11:49 PM, Dave Lockhart via NSRCA-dist1 <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">D1 has never done much in the way of raising funds for the District.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">IF we start raising funds for the District….what is the best way to spend it?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Some (somewhat) random thoughts -<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Manpower is much more of a problem at contests now than in the past. More contests are being run by fewer people, and at smaller contests, running a single flightline is the only option. If the contest were more efficient to run….that would help….the Vogel system is efficient (when working properly with a trained person to set it up and watch over it).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Many of the problems I see at contests are due to inadequate planning / prep. This is not a knock on the CDs or organizers….it is a reflection of ONE guy putting together the event and not having time to do a dry run, or operation check on all the equipment prior to the contest….so problems end up being found and addressed on the day of the contest. A Vogel system will not help much here….and may be more difficult since it requires a greater level of knowledge/skill to get it right.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I think the Vogel scoring system may (in time) increase the range of scores used, and reduce impression judging….the effect may not be as pronounced as predicted. Is $2500 best spent on a Vogel system or on encouraging people to attend judging seminars, clinics, sponsoring pattern primers, etc? Or on a “contest” laptop to be passed along contest to contest….and setup by a savvy scorekeeper at the beginning of each season?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If we want $$$ for D1 (for whatever use)…we can “skim” a little from each contest entry fee. We can run 50/50 raffles at every event. We can sell D1 hats, Tshirts, etc. And we can do a lot of these things at WRAM show and look for opportunities to do so at other events.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><br class="">Dave<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-dist1 [<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist1-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" class="">mailto:nsrca-dist1-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Anthony Romano via NSRCA-dist1<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, October 28, 2015 4:50 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>district one <<a href="mailto:nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org" class="">nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-dist1] PatternScoring System<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks Dana. You beat me to the punch on a lot of this. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">My takeaway is that we still have some CDs struggling with scoring and Master Score setup resulting in the last minute spreadsheet and subsequent hair pulling. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The idea of a few designated D1 laptops/printers and individuals to assist in scoring set up would be the first step before adding complexity. Now who would volunteer to part of a scoring team to manage this?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Anthony<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" id="stopSpelling" class=""></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 15:52:27 -0400<br class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vze23c3q@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">vze23c3q@gmail.com</a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist1] PatternScoring System<br class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">nsrca-dist1@lists.nsrca.org</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Good conversation! I agree with John that there is a consistency issue to solve. The problem I’ve observed is around legacy laptops not always reliability running Master Scoring. Perhaps Scott can consult with us and we can see what can be done on a local level before contest season begins? Maybe we need a tech session at WRAM where CDs or score keepers can bring in their laptops for a tune-up (or assessment if the equipment is not up to the job)?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div><div class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></body></html>