[NSRCA-dist1] PatternScoring System

Wed Oct 28 06:45:08 AKDT 2015

I think, more than anything, Peter's system provides for better judging.
Points are deducted as defects are seen; no more impression judging.  If no
defects are seen, it's a 10.  If numerous defects are flown, a 1 or 0 is
easily possible.  Where as how many actually write a 1?   It also allows
for the judge to never have take their eyes off the airplane to record a
score.

The logistics of moving scores and eliminating transcription errors is just
gravy.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:33 AM, John Ford via NSRCA-dist1 <
nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:

> I think that we need to remember what the core problem is…
> The core problem isn't the choice of scoring system, hi-tech, lo-tech, or
> anything else.
>
> The NSRCA's mission is to provide Contests and Contest Experiences to its
> members. That means that the local contest is king of everything we do and
> has the greatest influence on how our sport evolves and lives. (Sorry, but
> the NATS are a statistically trivial part of all NSRCA activity)
> From the perspective of a new Sportsman, THE SINGLE BIGGEST DEAL in
> his/her mind is seeing their score after the first round of their first
> contest…that's it.
>
> In the Districts (I've seen several, not only D1), we have volunteers/CD's
> who run the current "manual" software very very well, without a hitch, and
> posting rounds a few minutes after the last pilot lands. Within the same
> districts, there are contests where scores are simply not available at all
> until Sunday afternoon. We even see contests where an "on-the-spot" excel
> spreadsheet gets created on Saturday morning because of an unresolvable
> glitch in the software.
>
> So we have a consistency issue to solve, not necessarily a major
> technology obstacle to overcome.
>
> Probably relatively easy to solve the former, and much more demanding on
> someone's time to solve the latter via Peter's system.
>
> Just my opinion…
>
> John Ford
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Dana Beaton via NSRCA-dist1 <
> nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> It’s a system Matt, and someone needs to set-up WiFi at each contest so
> that the scores are passed to the computer as the judges record them.
> Would require a non-trivial level of knowledge, training and commitment to
> implement and maintain in any District; that said, not insurmountable if
> that’s what any District wants to do and has volunteers who will see it
> through. What is perhaps as interesting is that how our members wish to
> score rounds at a contest?  There is a certain simplicity in the way we do
> it now, with pencil and paper, that is perhaps not something that all would
> like to discard for recording downgrades.  We could say that if it isn’t
> broke, don’t fix it; but to be honest that is not entirely the case, that
> what we do now is not broke; but Vogel’s solution is only one possible way
> to address what sometimes does not work well at our D1 contests. What do
> others think?
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2015, at 8:06 AM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
>
> I want to qualify my comments. I only have a passing interest in Peter's
> scoring system, so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt. Bottom
> line, "I think" that it scores each maneuver directly into a database and
> produces immediate results after each pilot has flown. That's really cool!
> If I understand it right.
>
> I think that for D1 it's likely a mater of logistics. How many contests
> are there and what is the real workload the system likely to alleviate?
> Having the instant response is a nice to have but is it absolutely
> necessary? Are the required people who have been doing the job no longer
> available? Or is it one big hassle every Saturday morning and that's the
> real benefit? But someone still needs to manage something with this
> software, don't they?
>
> Money: Chances are that you the pilots will need to put up the money. You
> may ask the NSRCA board for assistance and might get 200$. And what about
> new pilots coming into pattern (in D1)? When do they participate with their
> wallets?
>
> Is the app enough technology to help a contest or do you have to have the
> full blown system?
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dana Beaton via NSRCA-dist1 <nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>; CT, DE, ME, MD, MA, NH, NJ,
> NY, PA, RI, VT, ME, MD, MA, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, VT <
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-dist1] PatternScoring System
>
> Aside from the obvious question of where would the $2,500 investment come
> from, I wish I could say that contest scoring has NOT been an issue in D1,
> and that we really don’t need a some solution.  With all due respect to our
> clubs, CDs, their assistants and volunteers who have been doing their very
> best with what they have to work with; we have had challenges in recent
> contests with legacy laptop computers and that remains an issue, albeit a
> local one for contests in 2016.  Now I would not go so far as to say that
> Vogel's solution is the right fit for D1; but it’s availability does beg
> the question if we can do better as a District; and raise the question if
> there is an alternative to continuing with the various local laptops?
> Perhaps D1 acquiring/updating a laptop or two to support contests at the
> District level as an intermediate step?  If we cannot supply/support a D1
> laptop or two, and manage the logistics of who has it, where & when, then
> we are not likely to pull off a full conversion to Vogel’s system.
>
> My observation is that we have enough capable volunteers at each contest
> to enter scores, many of whom are now familiar with Master Scoring
> software; but we have had an uneven experience with the the laptops
> themselves in recent years.  What do others think and is this an issue we
> want to address as D1 (or just let it stay local knowing that contests may
> not go as smoothly as they could if we had some robust D1 hardware backing
> our local efforts)?  Perhaps if we can manage the logistics of shepherding
> two D1 scoring computers around in 2016, we might upgrade to Vogel’s system
> in the future once additional members have been exposed to it enough to
> decide if they want to use it at their local contests (most D1 members do
> not travel to the Nats)?
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Anthony Romano via NSRCA-dist1 <
> nsrca-dist1 at lists.nsrca.org> wrote:
>
> Please read the below message from Peter Vogel about the electronic
> scoring system he brought to the Canandaigua contest this year. Should D1
> invest in one of these systems? Anyone willing to manage this?
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
> After 2 very successful trouble-free runs at the SAM contest 2 weeks ago
> and the Cajun NATS last week.  Last Monday I finally decided it was time to
> submit the app formally to the app store rather than relying on development
> loads to individual iPod touches or TestFlight 30-day conk beta loads for
> my friends in Australia who have been experimenting with the app.  As more
> districts reach out to me with orders for fully configured setups I wanted
> to make sure I had a path to get software updates out to devices in a
> timely manner.
>
> So I'm pleased to announce that as of today the PatternScoring app for iOS
> is live on the App Store as a free app!
>
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/patternscoring/id1018433564?mt=8
>
> If you've never used the scribe app before, feel free to download and,
> with a good internet connection, use the "demo contest" mode to play with
> it.  Naturally the intent is to use it with a game controller, but the
> buttons on the screen with the picture of the game controller do work to
> give you a flavor for how things work.
>
> If you are using it on iOS 8, you will notice that the voice is a little
> bit fast.  That's because iOS 9 changed the pace of the voice synthesizer
> and I submitted the version to work best with the latest iOS (9).
>
> I've also completed a complete Bill of Materials for the contest scoring
> system, including two handy rolling cases with custom-cut foam for
> everything needed (except the laptop) to run a contest, I sell these at my
> cost of $2500, fully configured to run a contest out of the box (i.e.: I'm
> not trying to make money on this).  D8 just bought one, and D7 has bought
> two. If any other districts have an interest in getting one or more sets,
> please contact me directly and we can make appropriate arrangements.
> Please make sure you have one or more people in the district who are
> willing and able to take on the running of scoring at a contest using the
> system.  I'm making continuous refinements to the system to make it easier
> for anyone to run scoring, but it does require a certain level of comfort
> and familiarity with technology in general.
>
> Thanks!
> Peter+
>
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> Associate Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics District X
> Treasurer, National Society of Radio Control Aerobatics (NSRCA)
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