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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I totally support Jason’s last sentence about expensive airframes. In FAI, at past team trials, 2 of 3 team members had 2 blade props. In 2017 Jason won the Nationals with a $1000 airplane in FAI. Can’t get any plainer than that. None of the classes need any of the things you allude to.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Mike <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 5, 2023 4:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New FAI Rule Changes<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thanks, UncleJas, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Good to hear from you!! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=default-style><strong><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>“You will become way less concerned with what other people think of you when you realize how seldom they do.” ― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest.</span></i></strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><br></span></i><em><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Phil Spelt, AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member</span></b></em><b><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif;color:#333333'><br><em><span style='font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif'>SPA L-18, Board Member, NSRCA 2032, KCRC Emeritus</span></em><br><em><span style='font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif'>Knoxville, TN 37931 (865) 604-0541c</span></em></span></i></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/05/2023 5:25 PM Jas S via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Phil, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t think you will see any change in flying/judging with this new rule. I believe most have flown this way already. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Btw, contra and full blown ‘competition composite’ airframe isn’t needed to win AMA pattern <span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>👍😁</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jason <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Jas iP <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Apr 5, 2023, at 5:21 PM, Phil Spelt via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Guys, These days I am an SPA contestant, but I have flown and judged the turnaround sequences years ago. (I didn't have the finances to buy $2K to $5K composite airframes and double-reverse contra double rotating props to be competitive.) So I am kind of familiar with the current AMA pattern milieu, and have judged a lot. Can someone please explain to me how pilots and judges, sitting at the center of the flight line, can tell the difference between a 1/2 loop at an end of the box that is geometrically round or just "looks" round? We see what we see -- if it looks round score it well, if it doesn't, mark it down -- no? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thanks, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=default-style><strong><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>“You will become way less concerned with what other people think of you when you realize how seldom they do.” ― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest.</span></i></strong><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><br></span></i><em><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Phil Spelt, AMA 1294, Scientific Leader Member</span></b></em><b><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif;color:#333333'><br><em><span style='font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif'>SPA L-18, Board Member, NSRCA 2032, KCRC Emeritus</span></em><br><em><span style='font-family:"Arial Black",sans-serif'>Knoxville, TN 37931 (865) 604-0541c</span></em></span></i></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 04/05/2023 11:57 AM Mark Atwood via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hey All, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Attached are the results from the CIAM plenary meeting and vote that took place on April 1st. These rule changes will go into effect in 2024. Most of the rules that address F3A are minor and merely clarify clerical issues in the rulebook or help outline procedures. There are also changes to the wording around telemetry, but again, only for better clarity. But there are TWO notable rule changes. Neither of which we supported. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>1) Increase the weight limit to 5.5Kg TAKE OFF WEIGHT. This is a straight up increase for electric, and a change to weighing procedure for glow planes to include FULL tank of fuel. The issues here are obvious and I know we have many on both sides of this discussion, but it’s the new rule in FAI. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>2) This one confounds me. They have changed the judging guidelines, such that they no longer want accurate geometry relative to the aircrafts plane of flight, but instead want geometric accuracy FROM THE JUDGES PERSPECITVE. In other words, a half loop at the end of the box needs to LOOK round, rather than BE round relative to the plane of flight. It completely changes our way of flying and makes tools like flight coach useless. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Personally, I can’t imagine this will last, and more over I can’t imagine this will actually be used. A few of us (US/ UK / AUS) fought hard against it, but in the end it won out. They had no explanation as to how cross box maneuvers will accomplish this (such as a rolling circle) but insisted this is what was wanted. I’m sure there will be much discussion at events prior to this going into effect. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There were also some minor changes for how ties are handled and better language and procedure for handling smaller championship events (<40 pilots). But most of that is benign. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>F3A Starts on page 25 <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>NSRCA-discussion mailing list <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ <br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list <br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ <br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list <br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></body></html>