<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Very true. And in the instance of integrated loop/roll elements at the tops of a Cuban 8......horsepower requirements go up substantially on windy days.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Regards, </div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Dave</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy Note8.</div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757"><br></div><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757">Apologies in advance for any typos undoubtedly introduced by auto correct and / or talk to text. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Daniel Underkofler <underdw@gmail.com> </div><div>Date: 11/5/21 08:19 (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: Stuart Chale <schale1@outlook.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> </div><div>Cc: davel322@comcast.net </div><div>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Masters Maneuver </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr">Not mentioned yet in this discussion is airspeed. If positions of the points are defined as per the discussion and roll rate for each roll must match, <div>then constant airspeed is required for a perfect maneuver. If airspeed changes as you go through the top/rolling part of the loop, then you will either miss your points or be forced to change your roll rate and/or hesitation duration.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 4:28 AM Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dave is correct that it is not defined, and it can affect judging point rolls when the judge has a preference for quick snappy rolls vs slower rolls into the points. (not that it should effect judging but it has)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My example was with equal rolling and point segments. Shortening the rolls leads to lengthening the point segments and does affect the center of the point positions except for over the top where it is always centered at 180 degrees.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we increase the roll rate and only cover 15 degrees, the points get 40 each and centers of the knife edges become 125 and 235<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The centers of the KE and upright portions have been defined.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The hesitations should be equal. The roll rate should be constant.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Duration of rolling vs duration of “point” has never been defined (historically). Fast / medium / slow rolling is a style consideration.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I get it too. But where does it say that?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 4, 2021, at 6:39 PM, john tarpinian via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Ok, I get it. I didn't realize that
<u>the rolling and non roling sections were to be of equal lengths</u>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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