<div dir="ltr">Jon,<div>I agree that a large problem with automated judging will be with novice flyers. </div><div>Another huge roadblock seems to me to be the need for rule/criteria change. For example, a current rule might specify a downgrade of 1pt for each radius change. When we go to automate judging, we need to put numerical criteria in place: </div><div>How much radius change constitutes a change? For how long does a radius need to be "changed" before it constitutes a change? What algorithm or curve fit should be used to measure radii?</div><div>Ahhh..... someday</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 10:50 AM Jon Dieringer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Andrew, <br></div><div><br></div><div>This is super interesting and thanks for sharing this. I have been thinking about the "Automated Judge" problem for a bit and have been capturing telemetry data from RealFlight and analyzing those datasets in python. Nothing sophisticated yet but have been working on how to automatically score a 4 point roll. I think it's pretty straightforward for scoring top pilots who have minimal variations but lower classes (and trying to judge my 4 point roll haha) is a harder problem. I think I am going to try to convert my Realflight logging to support your file format and then try to base some of these scoring algorithms on that. It would give a next step towards trialing these algorithms with real data and also an opportunity to have people share their flights as training sets for these algorithms. Worst case scenario is people could analyze their realflight datasets using your tool. <br></div><br><div dir="ltr">Thanks!<br>Jon<br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 12:30 PM Andrew Palmer via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">Hi Anthony</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thank you!</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We have no intentions to sell anything :-)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We wanted to do something to help the precision flying community....</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We have released the software under an open source license - anyone is free to modify as they wish :-)</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The ardupilot website has good information on hardware and getting up and running....</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thank you again for the kind words</div><div dir="ltr">Andrew</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On 17/02/2021, at 06:26, Anthony Romano <<a href="mailto:anthonyr105@hotmail.com" target="_blank">anthonyr105@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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This is very cool! Thank you to your team for all of this work. I am sure some will ask you if intend to sell a completed hardware package since many would prefer to buy something complete. I look forward to the day that something like this can be integrated
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This is GREAT ! Does anyone know a link or video that goes through the entire process of what to buy, how to set-up in aircraft, use of software and etc ??
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">We would like to introduce Flight Coach. A new tool for recording and analysing flight geometry aimed at the precision aerobatic disciplines F3A, IMAC, F3M, F3C and F3S. Flight Coach utilises
recent advances in flight recording technology to provide high quality ribbon plots of your flights.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">The software is FREE to use! And almost any Ardupilot compatible hardware (FC + GPS, with SDCard writer) can be used - you may already have the hardware somewhere in your model shed.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Flight Coach has been developed by a group of active F3A and IMAC pilots: Artur Uzieblo, Thomas David, Andrew Palmer and Russell Edwards. The plotter is free to use on our website and the hardware
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">We have provided lots more information on how to get started on our website, along with the plotter itself and a sample log file so you can try it out.
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<p><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><a shape="rect" href="https://flightcoach.org/ribbon/demo.json" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(54,77,150);border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm;background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white">Demo flight
download link</span></a> (<a shape="rect" href="https://flightcoach.org/ribbon/demo.json)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://flightcoach.org/ribbon/demo.json)</a><span style="color:rgb(41,41,41);background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white"> right click on the link, select
“Save link as” and save this file to your PC, then open </span><a shape="rect" href="https://www.flightcoach.org/the-plotter/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(54,77,150);border:1pt none windowtext;padding:0cm;background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white">the
plotter</span></a> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.flightcoach.org/the-plotter/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
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(along the top menu of </span><a shape="rect" href="https://www.flightcoach.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white">the website</span></a>
<a shape="rect" href="https://www.flightcoach.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">
https://www.flightcoach.org/</a>)<span style="color:rgb(41,41,41);background:none 0% 0% repeat scroll white">, select ‘Open Flight’ and load the saved file.</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Andrew and the Flight Coach team</span></p>
<p><a shape="rect" href="https://www.facebook.com/groups/flightcoach" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/flightcoach</a></p>
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