<div dir="ltr">Earlier this year, I looked into the FAI requirement for "squareness" on the F21 center top hat.  I recall with 80% certainty that squareness is NOT required.<div>This isn't really relevant to the discussion of the Masters top hat, but should be considered as this issue is clarified.</div><div>In the mean time, it appears the intent of the sequence committee wasn't written into the rules.  </div><div>When I judge it rectangles will not be downgraded.  When I fly it, I will fly a square to avoid downgrades from judges who are not aware that there is no requirement.</div><div>Dan</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 5:27 AM tim pritchett via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style="color:black;font:10pt Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">We may have to go back to the days when the AMA Comp. Regs. included sequences & descriptions to find these.  But </span>I agree Stuart, and was thinking the same thing about having a Basic Maneuver Description reference.  Some of the named maneuvers are not descript, like "Comet", "Et", and even "Bunt".  It would avoid lengthy write-ups each time sequences are developed. 
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<div><span style="font-size:10pt">For a basic Top Hat, I was taught this way in the 80's:  </span>
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<div>1) Always have inverted horizontal lines, </div>

<div>2) Have equal length lines as center maneuvers</div>

<div>3) Horizontal line length can vary as end maneuvers</div>

<div>4) Can vary entry/exit altitude as end maneuvers<br>
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From: Stuart Chale via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
To: Daniel Underkofler via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br>
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<div>As Chair of the sequence committee the intent was that the
      maneuver be square, equal horizontal and vertical.  I have
      searched for the maneuver descriptions that include that the
      horizontal segment of any top hat must be inverted and I I was
      unable to find that reference (everyone agrees on this point).  I 
      believe that there is also a reference to the line lengths on a
      center top hat maneuver being equal.  Pretty sure that they have
      always been so in the past.  If anyone can find that document that
      discusses top hats please let me know.</div>

    
<div>I apologize for not including that downgrade in the maneuver
      descriptions.  (another vote for having a document with basic
      downgrades for each maneuver type for future sequence committees
      to use.)</div>

    
<div>If not including the downgrade in the maneuver description
      changes the maneuver that was intended, I also apologize for the
      oversight.</div>

    
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<div>On 8/5/2020 9:06 PM, Daniel Underkofler
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<div dir="ltr">I'm with Vince on the center top hat:  no symmetry
        is specified, so only up and down lines must be equal.
        
<div>I'm with Stuart on the end box top hat from top. 
          Turnaround maneuvers don't need to have equal entry and exit
          altitudes.  End box top hats need only have an identifiable
          line at top/bottom.</div>

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          Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>>
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<div>Of course exit and entry altitude has to be
              equal.  Therefore both vertical lines have to be equal but
              not necessarily equal to horizontal line. </div>

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                5:01 PM Vicente Bortone <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:vincebrc@gmail.com" target="_blank">vincebrc@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>I believe there is no requirement if
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                      2020 at 2:01 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion
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<div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">A
                                  judging question:</span></div>

                              
<div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>

                              
<div><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">You
                                  are judging the Masters centered top
                                  hat.  Are there requirements for the
                                  length of lines?</span></div>

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