<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail-page" title="Page 40" style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div class="gmail-layoutArea"><div class="gmail-column"><ol start="0" style="list-style-type:none"><li><p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Downgrades for flying a manoeuvre partially out of the zone should be in proportion to the degree of infraction, ie a small part of the manoeuvre (10%) flown past a 60 degree line would call for a downgrade of 1 point, while more of the manoeuvre (30%, </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">40%, 50% ...) flown past a 60 degree line must be downgraded accordingly by 3, 4, 5... points. If an entire manoeuvre including entry </span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">and exit is flown out of the manoeuvring zone, it consequently must be zeroed. However, violations of a 60 degree line that occur near the 150 metre line (ie approximately over a 60 degree flag) should be seen less severely than violations along a line further out and more distant from the judges.</span></p></li></ol></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:13 PM Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">I agree with Cliff. I don’t think the current rule book consider to count elements out of the box. In any event, there is no time to do it and it is not practical. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Vicente “Vince” Bortone </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:52 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">So, how many points do you downgrade?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 5, 2020 4:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Keith Black; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging question<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%">I will do a proportion of the square out of the box. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%">Vicente "Vince" Bortone<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:01 PM Keith Black via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%">Nice question. Sounds like 3/8 this of the maneuver is not acceptable, that leaves you with about a 6. Unless you decide to zero on the grounds that the entire maneuver must be in the box. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%">Keith<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10pt;line-height:115%">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:26 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">During a judging discussion recently, a question came up that I would like to get input from the group. Setup: A centered square loop (as if there could be a turnaround version) is flown with the upper radii and horizontal line flown out of the box. The other elements are perfect. What is your downgrade for the box violation?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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