<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto">Why should the top of the box violation be treated differently than the sides of the box violations?<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That simply goes by percentage of the overall size of the manuever... correct?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000" dir="auto"><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> </div><div>Date: 7/5/20 5:13 PM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: Don Ramsey <donramsey@gmail.com>, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging question </div><div><br></div></div><div><div dir="auto">I agree with Cliff. I don’t think the current rule book consider to count elements out of the box. In any event, there is no time to do it and it is not practical. </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Vicente “Vince” Bortone </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:52 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-7454391857077586917WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">So, how many points do you downgrade?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-7454391857077586917WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> NSRCA-discussion [mailto:<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Vicente Bortone via NSRCA-discussion<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 5, 2020 4:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Keith Black; General pattern discussion<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Judging question<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">I will do a proportion of the square out of the box. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">Vicente "Vince" Bortone<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 4:01 PM Keith Black via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">Nice question. Sounds like 3/8 this of the maneuver is not acceptable, that leaves you with about a 6. Unless you decide to zero on the grounds that the entire maneuver must be in the box. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">Keith<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:26 PM Don Ramsey via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">During a judging discussion recently, a question came up that I would like to get input from the group. Setup: A centered square loop (as if there could be a turnaround version) is flown with the upper radii and horizontal line flown out of the box. The other elements are perfect. What is your downgrade for the box violation?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:115%">_______________________________________________<br>NSRCA-discussion mailing list<br><a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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