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I’m going out on an aeronautics limb here but I’m guessing that a prop that is turning more slowly than its free turning speed is not generating as much drag because it is cavitating. I can’t postulate a mechanism for a free turning prop to be able to turn
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I thought a free turning prop generated more drag than one that was restrained from turning freely.
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<div dir="auto" class="">Excellent explanation. I have been flying the d3 for a bit now and really enjoying the consistency in downline braking.</div>
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Gents - here is my new(er) to electric perspective on the ESC choice for an out runner: Plett and Himax.
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<div class="">I basically went with the OS/Futaba controller right away. Despite trying numerous props, the “flight envelope” was not totally in control. It was lacking the down line and exit speed control offered by the YS - but ran exceptional in all
other aspects. Pleased enough, I bought a second Invitation from Paul, with Himax, and also installed an OS controller, noting identical performance observations. Overall great, but even with brake set at 90%, there is a freewheeling of the prop that cannot
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<div class="">This is EXACTLY analogous to the 2-cycle versus 4- Cycle debate, with the Outrunner being the 2-cycle, and the Contras being the 4-cycle. Until the greatest advancement in speed controllers came out: The D3.</div>
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break from the limited few weeks I flew it last year. Once the brake is engaged it appeared that the lower one lowered the low end the higher the break percentage would be. I only flew the esc after the NATs last year for a few weeks and at first I did not
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Guys, I really appreciate all the feedback and experience with the equipment. I have had some offline e-mails, text, and a couple phone
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>NSRCA-discussion [<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions</p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal">Zero concern for a Castle 80HV at 100 Amps for pattern use. I use the lite version and is also fine but needs to have good cooling </p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="" class="">From: Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>></span></p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="" class="">Date: 6/4/20 22:45 (GMT-05:00)</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="" class="">Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I’m getting ready to build an Alchemy and committed to buying another plane that should arrive late August/early September, and will have it built/delivered RTF. Both will get
a new Plettenberg Advance 30-10. I’ve purchased the Pletty for both planes already.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">This is a big change for me as I have been flying a Himax 6330-210 Pro w/ a Castle HV80 ESC since 2011. This set up has been reliable for me, but I am ready for a change.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I really like the Castle ESCs, but I don’t want to fight the Pletty. Also I have seen some data that the Pletty can pull up around 90+ Amps based on some posts I have read on
various forums. I don’t know if it is normal for a Pletty to be over 80 Amps.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">What is the preferred ESC for the Pletty?</span></p>
<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">What settings for the ESC?</span></p>
<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">How is your Throttle Curve set up? I have a Futaba 18sz.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I will likely be flying a Falcon 3 blade 19 x 13.5 to 20 x 12.5</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0699641106MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Best Regards,</span></p>
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