<div><div dir="auto">John,</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for the info. When you try it let us know how works for you. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Vince </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 7:40 AM John Decker <<a href="mailto:johndecker@sbcglobal.net">johndecker@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
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I’m going out on an aeronautics limb here but I’m guessing that a prop that is turning more slowly than its free turning speed is not generating as much drag because it is cavitating. I can’t postulate a mechanism for a free turning prop to be able to turn
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Gents - here is my new(er) to electric perspective on the ESC choice for an out runner: Plett and Himax.
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<div>Fresh off running engines All this time I’ll compare it to the two cycle versus four cycle debate. After crashing my Axion /YS setup, I decided to buy Jerry’s BJ Incitation with Plett ADV setup so I could get into a more modern plane, and thought
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<div>I basically went with the OS/Futaba controller right away. Despite trying numerous props, the “flight envelope” was not totally in control. It was lacking the down line and exit speed control offered by the YS - but ran exceptional in all
other aspects. Pleased enough, I bought a second Invitation from Paul, with Himax, and also installed an OS controller, noting identical performance observations. Overall great, but even with brake set at 90%, there is a freewheeling of the prop that cannot
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<div>This is EXACTLY analogous to the 2-cycle versus 4- Cycle debate, with the Outrunner being the 2-cycle, and the Contras being the 4-cycle. Until the greatest advancement in speed controllers came out: The D3.</div>
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<div>The D3 controller will turn your single prop outrunner (2-cycle’ish), into a perfectly tuned YS 4-cycle, every flight. The D3 will not let the prop spin or freewheel or over speed at all - it is eliminated. It’s unbelievable different and
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<div>Down lines slower and the plane “decelerates” as it should in an exit radius. Even landing speed and approach more under control. Perhaps my friends that have seen it fly before and after will chime in, but there is a tru visible difference
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break from the limited few weeks I flew it last year. Once the brake is engaged it appeared that the lower one lowered the low end the higher the break percentage would be. I only flew the esc after the NATs last year for a few weeks and at first I did not
realise it was changing the break the lower I lowered the low end. This might be good or bad feature but I'm sure someone would be able to make good use of it. I had no issues with temperatures and it seemed like the Pyro 600 motor for the contra ran much
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<p>Guys many customers use Castle on a Pletty Advance but in the last few years less and less. Sales of CC related items are probably down 80% on their units versus 5 years ago.</p>
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airflow. Airflow is critical for all. However with the 120 lite running at 75 amps most times and bumping up to 90 amps for intermittent use</span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions</p>
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<p>Zero concern for a Castle 80HV at 100 Amps for pattern use. I use the lite version and is also fine but needs to have good cooling </p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(87,87,87)">Dave</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;color:rgb(87,87,87)">Apologies in advance for any typos undoubtedly introduced by auto correct and / or talk to text. </span></p>
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<p><span>From: Larry Diamond via NSRCA-discussion <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>></span></p>
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<p><span>Date: 6/4/20 22:45 (GMT-05:00)</span></p>
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<p><span>To: 'General pattern discussion' <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</span></a>></span></p>
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<p><span>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Plettenberg Advance 30-10 ESC - Questions</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I’m getting ready to build an Alchemy and committed to buying another plane that should arrive late August/early September, and will have it built/delivered RTF. Both will get
a new Plettenberg Advance 30-10. I’ve purchased the Pletty for both planes already.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">This is a big change for me as I have been flying a Himax 6330-210 Pro w/ a Castle HV80 ESC since 2011. This set up has been reliable for me, but I am ready for a change.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I really like the Castle ESCs, but I don’t want to fight the Pletty. Also I have seen some data that the Pletty can pull up around 90+ Amps based on some posts I have read on
various forums. I don’t know if it is normal for a Pletty to be over 80 Amps.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">What is the preferred ESC for the Pletty?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">What settings for the ESC?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">How is your Throttle Curve set up? I have a Futaba 18sz.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I will likely be flying a Falcon 3 blade 19 x 13.5 to 20 x 12.5</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best Regards,</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Larry Diamond</span></p>
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