<div dir="ltr">Derek K.,<div><br></div><div>Thanks so much for your response. Although I recognize of course that in FAI, the Description takes priority over the Picture, They often match enough that it makes sense to use the picture as a guide. They seem to align the "picture" with the description intent in roll combinations, and rolling circles, most of the time. </div><div><br></div><div>Q 1: Agree - application of the continuous roll and part roll language. Thus - the Entry & Exit "1/4 Integrated Rolls" need to match each other, but do not need to match the Upline 1 roll, or Downline Opposite 1/2 Rolls. The Upline 1 Roll and Downline 1/2 rolls need to match each other. Entry & Exit Radii also need to match. </div><div><br></div><div>Q2: Agree - The maneuver was drawn to depict 1/4 Roll and same direction Snap Roll, then Opposite direction Snap Roll & same direction 1/4 Roll. (There may be more discussion on this, but I think the drawing supports the intent). </div><div><br></div><div>Q3: Agree - The maneuver is drawn to depict "outside" Rolls. If you perform Outside rolls, then the "Pull-Push radii" language also aligns in the Description. (similar to how they draw a rolling circle).</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks and looking forward to any discussion on the matter. Better to iron this stuff out early in the season, than later.</div><div>Jim W.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 5:10 PM Derek Koopowitz <<a href="mailto:derekkoopowitz@gmail.com">derekkoopowitz@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_1432423173743890008WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Jim,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The answers to your questions are in the rules… as with all answers – the written description takes precedence over the aresti ALL the time.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1"><li class="gmail-m_1432423173743890008p1"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Page 30 – 5B.8.5 – d) – “In all manoeuvres which have more than one continuous roll, the continuous rolls must have the same roll-rate. In all manoeuvres which have more than one part-roll, the part-rolls must have the same roll rate. Lines between consecutive part-rolls must be short and of equal length. Between consecutive continuous rolls or part-rolls in opposite direction there must be no line. Where there are continuous rolls and part-rolls within one manoeuvre, the roll-rate for the part- rolls does not necessarily have to be the same as the roll-rate for the continuous rolls.”. So to answer your question – all part rolls need to have the same roll rate and they can be different to the roll rate of continuous rolls.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_1432423173743890008p1"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">If the roll direction is not specified then the rolls must go in the same direction – see Page 30 – 5B.8.5 – last paragraph. So if you roll left on the ¼ roll then the snap must be left and then immediately followed by a snap to the right and then a ¼ roll to finish.<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="gmail-m_1432423173743890008p1"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The answer is Yes – as long as you push/pull/push/pull correctly through all the corners then you will be ok. Start upright and end upright.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org</a>> on behalf of NSRCA List <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>james woodward <<a href="mailto:jimwoodward89@gmail.com" target="_blank">jimwoodward89@gmail.com</a>>, NSRCA List <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, March 16, 2020 at 11:37 AM<br><b>To: </b>NSRCA List <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[NSRCA-discussion] F21 - 3 questions<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Gents - in order to help pas the time due to CV - I have 3 legit questions on F21:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Question 1: Center Humpty with 1/4 rolls integrated on the entry & Exit. Does the "Roll-Rate" of the entry/exit Integrated 1/4 Roll(s) need to match the Roll-rate of the 1-Roll up, and Opposite 1/2 Rolls down? Or, are the integrated 1/4 rolls treated separate from the rolls-on-lines, but need to match each other (entry/exit)? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Question 2: 45 Downline. Does this maneuver need to be flown as depicted in the Aresti, IE, does the First 1/4 Roll and First Snap, with 2nd Snap & 2nd 1/4 roll the same direction? Or, are the 1/4 rolls separated from the snaps, and the only thing that matters is the Snaps are "opposite", and the Exit is Inverted? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Question 3: Horizontal Square: Does the 1/4 Entry, subsequent 3 1/2 Rolls, and final 1/4 Roll, need to be flown as depicted in the Aresti? The Aresti depicts these as "outside" rolls (IE, there is a Left horizontal square, and a Right horizontal square, depending on direction of flight. Or, does only the "pull or push corners" matter, and the Exit to Upright? <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">No gotcha's here - just wondering as I have seem various iterations. I read the .ppt on NSRCA, and didn't see these elements specifically pointed to.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jim W. <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list <a href="mailto:NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">NSRCA-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a> <a href="http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion" target="_blank">http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion</a><u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
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