<div><div dir="auto">What we have done at local contests is let FAI self judge when flying F. They just rotate judging/flying...works best with 3 or more pilots</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:44 PM Anthony Romano via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I totally would, very frustrating to travel to a contest and put up a very solid flight only to get a 950 against a competitor who should have earned 2 zeros in the same round for structural errors. We have made the sequences so complex they are almost
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Mike!
<div>I’m not certain I’d draw the direct comparison between discussions about the specifics of a maneuver with participation. This one in particular left room for interpretation, but it’s now been clarified by the folks that determine the international criteria.
Now we just have to fly it that way, which as Dave pointed out is easier said than done ;-)<br>
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<div dir="auto"> Some may wonder why participation at the Nats is in decline.</div>
<div dir="auto"> Well this discussion is an example of why. As the complexity of the maneuvers ramps up it also makes judging them harder.</div>
<div dir="auto">Masters fliers for the most part are the ones who have to judge FAI. For many they don't enjoy it and instead dread having to learn it all so they can feel confident they are competent enough. After all we take on the task with a deep sense
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<div dir="auto"> I don't know the answer to this situation.</div>
<div dir="auto"> I only know it exists.</div>
<div dir="auto"> Merry Christmas everyone.</div>
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<div>Date: 12/21/19 9:05 PM (GMT-06:00) </div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] P-21.14 Comet question for the experts </div>
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This is the challenge of interpreting and applying consistent judging standards. </div>
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In general, turn-around manoeuvres are positioning manoeuvres. Therefore, entry and exit altitude need not be the same if the pilot wishes to make an attitude adjustment. The keywords are 'in general', this implies 5B.2 and 5B.10 would be in effect unless
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Comet with consecutive two ¼ rolls in opposite directions, ½ roll. From upright, push through a 1/8 loop into a 45° downline, perform consecutively two ¼ rolls in opposite directions, pull through a ¾ loop into a 45° downline, perform a ½ roll, pull through
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In the description of P-21.14 there is no requirement mentioned to line length or how the lines are drawn except they are 45 degrees. Therefore I surmise the standard under 5B.2 and 5B.10 should be applied.
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On December 21, 2019 at 8:15 PM AC Glenn via NSRCA-discussion <<a href="mailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org" target="_blank">nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">No they don’t. It’s a turn around maneuver that can be used for height adjustment. The power point specifically addresses this question in the downgrades.
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